# Saudi Arabian National Team Refuses to Participate i Moment of Silence for Manchestet Victims **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445 "2017-06-08T18:22:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/1 "2017-06-08T18:22:52Z")
> **[Saudi Arabia fail to line up for minute's silence in memory of London victims](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/saudi-arabia-players-fail-line-10584951)** > > The side were taking on Australia in a World Cup qualifier but stood in a random formation as the silence began prior to kick-off Whats there to say? These are the vilest people alive today. Id wish the same tragedy would happen to their sisters and daughters but they arent allowed to go to concerts. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/2 "2017-06-08T18:27:54Z")
You wish violence on innocent people? You’re an ass. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/3 "2017-06-08T18:30:10Z")
They are Saudis. They are trained to be assholes by their Wahhabi docrtine and social system. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/4 "2017-06-08T18:32:15Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You wish violence on innocent people? You’re an ass. Only you my trollish friend. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/5 "2017-06-08T18:32:46Z")
One does wonder what their reason is. Perhaps it is a cultural difference. Of course, they could be jerks. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/6 "2017-06-08T18:32:53Z")
Maybe they thought, correctly, that a ‘moment of silence’ before a soccer game was a meaningless gesture? Next you’ll me they didn’t offer [their thoughts and prayers](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjx756W8a7UAhVL62MKHQx1Cu4QtwIIJjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkqhcVgsUkmg&usg=AFQjCNFoHpIqFu1Z8M3rIysrWaMnpr5Wtg)? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/7 "2017-06-08T18:33:27Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > They are Saudis. > They are trained to be assholes by their Wahhabi docrtine and social system. Yeah, I agree. The backlash will be bad and innocents will be hurt. This is a bad situation for everybody. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/8 "2017-06-08T18:35:18Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Only you my trollish friend. No dipshit, you clearly wished violence on innocent women and children. That’s why I called you an ass. Well, that’s not the only reason. Cite: > [@madsircool](#): > > … Id wish the same tragedy would happen to their sisters and daughters but they arent allowed to go to concerts. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/9 "2017-06-08T18:38:06Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > No dipshit, you clearly wished violence on innocent women and children. That’s why I called you an ass. Well, that’s not the only reason. > Cite: You do understand the concept of hyperboly? And this is the Pit. I really dont wish any violence on their women. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/10 "2017-06-08T18:39:08Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > You do understand the concept of hyperboly? And this is the Pit. I really dont wish any violence on their women. And maybe your specific women…if there were any. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/11 "2017-06-08T18:40:15Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > You do understand the concept of hyperboly? And this is the Pit. I really dont wish any violence on their women. This is exactly what Trump would say if he’s said something as stupid as you did. Covfefe right? Don’t think many people believe what he says either. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/12 "2017-06-08T18:43:30Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > This is exactly what Trump would say if he’s said something as stupid as you did. Covfefe right? > > Don’t think many people believe what he says either. You are a lonely man, arent you? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/13 "2017-06-08T18:43:59Z")
Its the Daily Mirror, the Daily Mail’s stupider cousin. In the video you see one of the players (presumably the Captain) telling his players to stop moving. Its not like the played an instrument and sang “London Bridge is falling down”). They just stood around, not in formation; plus in a foreign country whose language they probably did not speak. How many times have UK teams stood in a moment of silence for terror attacks in the ME? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/14 "2017-06-08T18:46:38Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > One does wonder what their reason is. Perhaps it is a cultural difference. Of course, they could be jerks. The cultural difference is the disrespect that the Saudis are trained in for all others who are not part of their Wahhabi doctrine, including other Muslims who do not adhere to Wahhabist nastiness. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/15 "2017-06-08T18:47:24Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > You are a lonely man, arent you? Well, you do make me wish we were better strangers. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/16 "2017-06-08T18:49:15Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Its the Daily Mirror, the Daily Mail’s stupider cousin. In the video you see one of the players (presumably the Captain) telling his players to stop moving. Its not like the played an instrument and sang “London Bridge is falling down”). They just stood around, not in formation; plus in a foreign country whose language they probably did not speak. > > How many times have UK teams stood in a moment of silence for terror attacks in the ME? [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/08/saudi-arabia-footballers-ignore-minutes-silence-for-london-attack-victims) has more or less the same story although it is less hyped and less prejudicial in its language. of course it is true I doubt that any British football team has made a moment of silence for 2003 etc. Does not stop the observation the Saudis are assholes. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/17 "2017-06-08T18:50:58Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Its the Daily Mirror, the Daily Mail’s stupider cousin. In the video you see one of the players (presumably the Captain) telling his players to stop moving. Its not like the played an instrument and sang “London Bridge is falling down”). They just stood around, not in formation; plus in a foreign country whose language they probably did not speak. > > How many times have UK teams stood in a moment of silence for terror attacks in the ME? I got an alert from espn on my phone but good luck finding a link. They did link video so there is that. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/18 "2017-06-08T18:53:27Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Maybe they thought, correctly, that a ‘moment of silence’ before a soccer game was a meaningless gesture? Next you’ll me they didn’t offer [their thoughts and prayers](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjx756W8a7UAhVL62MKHQx1Cu4QtwIIJjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkqhcVgsUkmg&usg=AFQjCNFoHpIqFu1Z8M3rIysrWaMnpr5Wtg)? I disagree. It means something to the families and the larger community. Plus, its simply good manners to wish sympathy to someone who is grieving. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/19 "2017-06-08T19:00:14Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Well, you do make me wish we were better strangers. May I use that line, or is it copy written? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445/20 "2017-06-08T19:00:40Z")
Outrage over non-outrage. So meta! > [@AK84](#): > > How many times have UK teams stood in a moment of silence for terror attacks in the ME? Wrong question, if you’re going for a _tu quoque_. How many times did they decline to do so when asked? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saudi-arabian-national-team-refuses-to-participate-i-moment-of-silence-for-manchestet-victims/788445.md?page=2)