# Sauron vs the Sith **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2005, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174 "2005-05-23T21:58:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/1 "2005-05-23T21:58:59Z")
Well? Or, any of the combinations. Gandalf vs the Jedi Council or a single Jedi Maiar vs a Death Star Luke vs Fëanor You name it! Who wins? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/2 "2005-05-23T22:12:29Z")
Better than Luke vs Fëanor would be Anakin vs Fëanor. There are more parallels there than in the former pairing. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/3 "2005-05-23T22:23:24Z")
Good call. **jay**! Luke would be sorely overmatched, methinks. But Anni… yes…, yes… ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/4 "2005-05-23T22:33:23Z")
Jar Jar: “Rinwraiths out dere! Balrogs in here! Orcs a followin us and weesuh out of lembas! Whensah I suppose to worry!?” ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/5 "2005-05-23T22:45:36Z")
Jar-Jar vs. Gollum. I just like it because it’s how not to and how to make a CGI character. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/6 "2005-05-24T01:16:47Z")
Boromir: “_They’ve_ got a _droiddeka_…” ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/7 "2005-05-24T02:12:54Z")
Sauron takes out the Sith - when he’s in his bodily form WITH his ring. Gandalf beats a Jedi; cause if Anakin can, Gandalf surely can. Heck, Aragorn probably can. He did a good job with the Wraiths at Weathertop (tho they did have their minds on the ring & retreated once they’d stabbed Frodo with the poison knife). I’d go for a Gollum / Yoda face off at a forensics contest. Some strange talking be there, my precious. ---
**Author:** ![WeRSauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f19dbf/32.png) [@WeRSauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WeRSauron)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/8 "2005-05-24T03:06:48Z")
“These are not the Hobbits you are looking for.” Of course Sauron would win if pitted against Darth Vader. Darth vader betrays the Dark Side whereas Sauron is the elemental, as it were, embodiment of darkness. So, of course, Sauron is stronger in the Dark Side. (In interest of full disclosure, despite liking Darth Vader, I am more biased in favor of the Dark Lord Sauron.) In Luke versus Frodo, Luke would win because Frodo has already been corrupted by the Ring. Luke is stronger in the Light Side. Melkor/Morgoth versus Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine - now that would be an interesting battle! But who would win? How about Eru Iluvatar versus, um, Yoda and Luke? WRS ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/9 "2005-05-24T03:08:30Z")
Saurman vs. Count Dooku Hmm…doesn’t seem fair, but Saurman has powers equalvalent to “Force Persuade”, but the Count has a wicked lightsaber. Make it… Saurman and his 10,000 Uruk Hai vs Count Dooku. That looks better. Darn. Why am I imagining Aragorn with a silver and white lightsaber on top of Helm’s Deep? ---
**Author:** ![Antonius\_Block](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Antonius\_Block](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antonius_Block)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/10 "2005-05-24T03:16:46Z")
> [@LostCause](#): > > Saurman vs. Count Dooku Man, is Christopher Lee ever going to feel sore tomorrow! [P.S. It’s _Saruman_.] ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/11 "2005-05-24T03:22:10Z")
> [@Antonius Block](#): > > Man, is Christopher Lee ever going to feel sore tomorrow! [P.S. It’s _Saruman_.] Ouch. At least I was consistent and didn’t call him Aruman on the next paragraph! 😜 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/12 "2005-05-24T03:50:58Z")
> [@WeRSauron](#): > > Melkor/Morgoth versus Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine - now that would be an interesting battle! But who would win? No contest. Morgoth is one of the Valar – he’s a **god,** even compared to Sauron (who is merely a Maia). > [@WeRSauron](#): > > How about Eru Iluvatar versus, um, Yoda and Luke? And Eru is God-with-a-capital-G. Of course, Yoda and Luke wouldn’t want to fight him anyway, he’s the Light Side of the Force. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/13 "2005-05-24T04:04:42Z")
Shelob vs the Sarlacc? ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Bruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Queen\_Bruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Bruin)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/14 "2005-05-24T05:34:03Z")
Ungoliant vs. Jabba? ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/15 "2005-05-24T10:29:34Z")
The Ents vs. the Ewoks. Slimy Imperial officer: “Master Treebeard, as you can see, _my_ people use mainly plastics and metal, and are content to stay in a small clearing in the forest…the _Ewoks_, as you can see, carve their villages into the sides of living trees, burn lots of wood, and run rampant through your woods hunting for game. Which of us, I ask you, is a greater threat to your forest?” Or Aurra Sing vs. Tom Bombadil. An epic, awe-inspiring battle of wits and will that would never see a second of screen time. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/16 "2005-05-24T12:35:15Z")
[sub]I’m sorry… I have to…[/sub] “You don’t just fly a dozen small fighters into the Deathstar…” “Death. Star.” “What?” “It’s Death, space, Star.” “You don’t just fly a dozen small fighters into the Death Star.” “Yes you do. You totally do.” ::d&r:: ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/17 "2005-05-24T13:13:29Z")
The House of Durin vs. a droid army? My money’s on the dwarves. ---
**Author:** ![Humble\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/47e85d/32.png) [@Humble\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humble_Servant)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/18 "2005-05-24T14:44:30Z")
If the battle takes place in a galaxy far, far away, we’re outside Arda and have to discount the powers of any being tied to the circles of the world. That pretty much means that ewoks and gunguns beat elves, maiar and valar. Are dwarves bound to Arda? Dunno, but men aren’t, so Turin or Beren could smush 'em, and Iluvatar has no prob. [sub]dwarves v. droid army–heh[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/19 "2005-05-24T15:22:24Z")
> [@Happy Scrappy Hero Pup](#): > > [sub]I’m sorry… I have to…[/sub] > > “You don’t just fly a dozen small fighters into the Deathstar…” > “Death. Star.” > “What?” > “It’s Death, space, Star.” > “You don’t just fly a dozen small fighters into the Death Star.” > “Yes you do. You totally do.” > > ::d&r:: Okay…what is this from? it sounds familar. ---
**Author:** ![RandomLetters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@RandomLetters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandomLetters)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174/20 "2005-05-24T15:36:20Z")
> [@Happy Scrappy Hero Pup](#): > > [sub]I’m sorry… I have to…[/sub] > > “You don’t just fly a dozen small fighters into the Deathstar…” > “Death. Star.” > “What?” > “It’s Death, space, Star.” > “You don’t just fly a dozen small fighters into the Death Star.” > “Yes you do. You totally do.” > > ::d&r:: Well, its not like they have some giant bird that can just fly it’s way into the Death Star . . . [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sauron-vs-the-sith/305174.md?page=2)