# Saw Star Trek: Nemesis last night. Any questions? \*SPOILERS\* (probably) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 11, 2002, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065 "2002-12-11T19:05:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/21 "2002-12-14T02:27:36Z")
At least they didn’t go through yet another Enterprise this time. I almost wish they had, given the alternative. I had to chuckle when Deanna was given command of the ship. “Don’t you remember what happened LAST time she was driving???” ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/22 "2002-12-14T02:48:14Z")
Okay, I’ve decided that I can’t stand it until I see Nemisis. I want a major spoiler! Someone major is going to die? Please, someone tell me who it is!?!? Please? thanks in advance (I hope …) ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/23 "2002-12-14T02:52:07Z")
SEE THIS MOVIEWell… there’s this scene at the end… and… geez… I can’t even bring myself to say it! SOB!Argh! There are so many things that I was thinking of talking about when I was watching the movie, but now I can only think of one, and I don’t want to talk about it! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/24 "2002-12-14T03:00:01Z")
tarragon, email me for who croaks. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/25 "2002-12-14T03:25:48Z")
Wow, I haven’t even seen the trailor, so I’m going to be extra, extra surprised! Very exciting. I predict talking rodents. Are there talking rodents? Because I’m definitely getting a talking rodent vibe. (rapidly descending into insanity) Luv ya, Kn(superfreak)ckers! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/26 "2002-12-14T03:29:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*tarragon, email me for who croaks. \*\* Me, too! (and don’t say the WB frog!) Gotta know, gotta know! …almost out of spice… gotta get more spice… talking rodents… rodents need the spice… I need the spice… hello?!? I’m on the phone here! …gotta get more spice… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/27 "2002-12-14T03:38:42Z")
NoClue, did you bring enough for everyone? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/28 "2002-12-14T03:45:45Z")
I’m working on it! ---
**Author:** ![Pythagras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/45deac/32.png) [@Pythagras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pythagras)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/29 "2002-12-14T03:47:44Z")
Somebody please kill the star trek franchise… please… The movie was _OK_ at best. I’ve seen far better episodes, and it fits the formula of every other TNG (maybe TOS) series. This franchise has been in the crapper ever since Voyager and now I have to witenss… well, you know… in what is at best a mediocre movie. I was sad at the end, not because you know, but because it had to happen in this trite piece of mediocrity. I’m turning in my Star Trek fan card to save the memory of the series. It has ceased to entertain me on anything but a primitive level. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/30 "2002-12-14T04:00:40Z")
LOL Blast ya, Achenar! -If- I find out, I will email those who asked though. I’ve only seen the trailers for the movie, but I’ve read some of the reviews–it’s not getting very good reviews, unfortunately. But this is what gets me about the reviewers…do they know -anything- about Star Trek?! I’ve seen questions about Romulus and Remus and the use of old Roman terms by the Romulans (Praetar, Senate, etc.). If these reviewers were familiar at all with Star Trek, they would know that information has been around for quite some time. Granted, it’s from the books, which some do not recognize as “canon,” but it’s not something they made up for this movie, that’s for certain. I will likely see the movie and will probably like it (possibly like it a lot :)); I just don’t have the time to see it right now! And first movie I see in the upcoming weeks will definitely be Two Towers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/31 "2002-12-14T04:03:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pythagras \* > > \*\* …It has ceased to entertain me on anything but a primitive level… \*\* Do the dimensions 1X3X9 mean anything to you? (think monkeys) ---
**Author:** ![Pythagras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/45deac/32.png) [@Pythagras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pythagras)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/32 "2002-12-14T04:04:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tarragon918 \* > \*\*LOL Blast ya, Achenar! -If- I find out, I will email those who asked though. > > I’ve only seen the trailers for the movie, but I’ve read some of the reviews–it’s not getting very good reviews, unfortunately. But this is what gets me about the reviewers…do they know -anything- about Star Trek?! I’ve seen questions about Romulus and Remus and the use of old Roman terms by the Romulans (Praetar, Senate, etc.). If these reviewers were familiar at all with Star Trek, they would know that information has been around for quite some time. Granted, it’s from the books, which some do not recognize as “canon,” but it’s not something they made up for this movie, that’s for certain. I will likely see the movie and will probably like it (possibly like it a lot :)); I just don’t have the time to see it right now! And first movie I see in the upcoming weeks will definitely be Two Towers. 🙂 \*\* I know things about Star Trek and I agree with the reviews. The movie makers are taking advantage of loyal fans and therefore avoid risking originality. ---
**Author:** ![Thunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@Thunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thunder)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/33 "2002-12-14T04:19:18Z")
Sheesh… Ebert was almost as evil as [Mr. Cranky](http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/startreknemesis.html) on this one. Gotta love Mr. C, though… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/34 "2002-12-14T05:19:41Z")
This movie isn’t going to be giving _Wrath of Khan_ any serious competition. I thought it sucked. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/35 "2002-12-14T05:45:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tarragon918 \* > \*\*Okay, I’ve decided that I can’t stand it until I see Nemisis. I want a major spoiler! > > Someone major is going to die? Please, someone tell me who it is!?!? Please? > > thanks in advance (I hope …) \*\* There’s a bit of foreshadowing when Data puts his hand on Picard’s face and says “Perform backup.” ---
**Author:** ![Kwyjibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Kwyjibo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kwyjibo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/36 "2002-12-14T05:51:37Z")
I saw the new Star Trek this evening. One thing I loved was the fact the there were no opening credits to sit through! The title came up and _bam!_, right into the movie. One thing I didn’t like, was the movie itself. No, I’m not speaking as a Star Wars fan, I honestly didn’t like the movie. To me it seemed to be following the trend of that last few. It has a few high points, but they don’t seem to get that ‘high’. Ok, Riker and Diana get married, ok a main character dies. (But even that was left open…nice, considering it is supposed to be their ‘final voyage’.) The story had more holes than Swiss Cheese! Where did they get Picard’s DNA from? Where did they find the other Data-like android? What happened to Data’s emotions? Wern’t Geordi’s eye fixed in the last movie? All in all, total garbage. (But the FX were pretty cool.) ---
**Author:** ![MrMyth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@MrMyth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMyth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/37 "2002-12-14T06:24:10Z")
Is everybody forgetting that in the TNG series finale, the future was shown? A future that included a live Data? Is that no longer canon? Or was it only a possbile future? This movie crapped all over continuity. ---
**Author:** ![Kwyjibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Kwyjibo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kwyjibo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/38 "2002-12-14T06:28:41Z")
**MrMyth** I guess that could be explained by the ‘new’ Data they found. They did do a complete memory transfer, remember. (Getting flashbacks of ST III over here.) ---
**Author:** ![Pythagras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/45deac/32.png) [@Pythagras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pythagras)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/39 "2002-12-14T06:48:48Z")
Apparently theyve decided to get rid of “quantum torpedos” Warf: We’re out of photon torpedos. ---
**Author:** ![SC\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@SC\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SC_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/40 "2002-12-14T07:15:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrMyth \* > \*\*Is everybody forgetting that in the TNG series finale, the future was shown? A future that included a live Data? > > Is that no longer canon? Or was it only a possbile future? > > This movie crapped all over continuity. \*\* I always viewed the TNG series finale _All Good Things…_ as being in the same vein as Dickens’ _A Christmas Carol_. > [@](#): > > “Before I draw nearer to that stone to which > you point,” said Scrooge, “answer me one question. Are these > the shadows of the things that Will be, or are they shadows > of things that May be, only?” Still the Ghost pointed > downward to the grave by which it stood. “Men’s courses will > foreshadow certain ends, to which, if persevered in, they > must lead,” said Scrooge. "But if the courses be departed > from, the ends will change. In other words, had Picard not passed Q’s test, not learned the lesson Q wanted to see him learn, then yes, the future we saw would have turned out the way it did. And I think the fact that in the “future” of _All Good Things…_ the Enterprise that’s shown is the Enterprise-D, and they’re up to the Enterprise-E now, continuity’s already been crapped over, if one takes the _All Good Things…_ “future” to be literal truth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065.md?page=3)