# Saw Star Trek: Nemesis last night. Any questions? \*SPOILERS\* (probably) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 11, 2002, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065 "2002-12-11T19:05:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![SweetLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@SweetLucy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SweetLucy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/101 "2002-12-16T07:16:15Z")
Almost forgot to mention that I loved the 4-wheeling scene! Perhaps because it was so unexpected. ---
**Author:** ![SC\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@SC\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SC_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/102 "2002-12-16T07:23:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\*I don’t think that the equivalent of shuttlecraft are at all useful in starship combat. Although I may be overlooking something, I can’t remember any time that small craft were used like that. > \*\* The TNG eppisode _Ensign Ro_ comes to mind, as well as a borg eppisode of TNG who’s name escapes me at the moment. Both times shuttlecraft were used get past shields to allow a boarding party to transport. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/103 "2002-12-16T07:29:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > **Actually, that just begs the question of why he didn’t waste Romulus when he had the chance. Why bother going for Earth at all?** Answered in the post that you are responding to. > [@](#): > > \*\*All the hallway lights: 10kWatts, maybe. > Shields: 800 million billion zillion kiloWatts. > I’d think they could spare _some_ juice. \*\* I don’t have the technical manual, so I don’t know how the heck the shields are supposed to work, or how much energy they take. But surely in the middle of a starship vs. starship combat one would be more concerned about shields than lights? They had just gotten shields (barely) back up, and without them they were pretty much screwed. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Incubus_ > **And god knows what were powering those shields, because even after a full firefight they were still at 70%.** Keep in mind that the majority of the fire in this firefight missed the target completely. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/104 "2002-12-16T07:29:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\* > \ > I don’t think that the equivalent of shuttlecraft are at all useful in starship combat. Although I may be overlooking something, I can’t remember any time that small craft were used like that. > > snippityday\> > \*\* _The Best Of Both Worlds, Part II - ST:TNG_ ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/105 "2002-12-16T07:37:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SC\_Wolf \* > \*\*The TNG eppisode _Ensign Ro_ comes to mind… \*\* …which is kinda strange, since the episode was _Preemptive Strike_, though understandable since it fetured Lieutenant (recently promoted from Ensign) Ro. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/106 "2002-12-16T07:41:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SC\_Wolf \* > The TNG eppisode _Ensign Ro_ comes to mind, as well as a borg eppisode of TNG who’s name escapes me at the moment. Both times shuttlecraft were used get past shields to allow a boarding party to transport. I’m sorry, I thought it was clear that I meant that small craft are not generally useful for their firepower. I was responding to **Incubus** , who was asking why Shinzin didn’t deploy all those Scorpions. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/107 "2002-12-16T08:08:35Z")
Well, why didn’t picard send out a fleet of shuttles and have them fire their phasers? And why was the Fed Fleet 7 whole ships? And why didn’t they show up to be cannon fodder as well? Didnt they learn from DS9 we love gigantic fleet battles? I want my station seiges, dangit!!! ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/108 "2002-12-16T08:20:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Count me amoung those who didn’t understand Shinzon’s motives. I could see him mad at Romulus, and wanting to kill Picard, but Earth?? Other than it was a way to get the support of the miltary in his coup. He wanted to destory Earth because he was technically Human but he couldn’t _be_ human. He was raised to hate anything that wasn’t Him or With Him. And I imagine, he had a certain self-disgust. I liked the flick a lot. I cried at the end. Of all the ST:TNG movies and eps my husband has made me sit through, I liked this one the best. And in the end, I even conceded that Picard was a better captain than Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/109 "2002-12-16T09:12:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MEBuckner \* > **Hmmm…a typical case of Main Character Obsession with the Big Spoiler at the End there. I mean, why didn’t we see everyone get all weepy and drink toasts about the poor no-name helmsman who was sucked out into space?** Because the helmsman was an ensign that had been onboard for a few months or maybe a couple of years, versus a close friend that they had been to hell and back with for over 15 years. Picard would have been upset about all of his casualties, but he would not have mourned for them the same way he did for Data. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Peutl_ > **Boy, those Romulans are a forgiving people. Picard has just polluted the space around their planet with a virulent form of radiation and its not so much as mentioned.** They were quite a distance away from Romulus at that point. Remember that the Scimitar had been chasing the Enterprise ever since it had broke orbit. And for the record, I enjoyed it. Not as good as WOK, but not the worst by far. ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/110 "2002-12-16T14:48:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > **Of all the ST:TNG movies and eps my husband has made me sit through, I liked this one the best.** 😃 Pretty much says it all, doesn’t it? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/111 "2002-12-16T17:04:47Z")
An ok episode… i mean movie. Hated 1. Lack of concern for the Prime Directive on a Pre Warp world. 2. The Nosferatu Aliens. 3. Shinzon’s requirement for Picard’s Blood (I mean DNA) The overdub of Beverley expalining Shinzon needs His DNA didn’t fix the original line. (You’ll notice she mouths the word Blood) I mean why would he need all of Picard’s DNA, why not ask for some skin or some other sample. And The Blood line is equally bad in that aside from type blood is blood, he could have found a type O doner and sucked him dry. See the Nosferatu thing wasn’t a coincidence. 4. Impulse being so fricken Slow 5. Troi has the bridge?!?!?!? 6. Physics gets a back seat 7. Super Data shot as he flies to the Reman vessel 7a) An alien vessel would be a Scorpion class?!?! Did Scorpions get seeded throughout the galaxy too? 8. Search for Spock ending with B4… Data’s slow brother. Things I liked 1. Patrick Stewarts Performance 2. Shirzon’s performance 3. Some cute moments of humour 4. The Death of the Senate 5. The Reman Vessel 6. The Space Battle 7. The touching tribute to Data (Before the Search for Spock ending) 7b) The fact Riker couldn’t recall the Song… after all it was 15 years later and he doesn’t watch his own reruns… unless of course a plant puts spikes into him 😉 8. The Shots of the Damaged Enterprise… (By the way anyone warn the crew in the forward decks that they would be used as a battering ram) Something else struck me… Mini Picard stated Picard was not 2 metres tall as he hoped… How big have humans become by the 24th century that would warrent that kind of belief? 2 metres is the hieght of your average Doorway. How freaking tall would Riker have been. I mean They have been to the past and they didn’t seem to tower over the humans of the 22nd century or 21st. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/112 "2002-12-16T17:43:15Z")
Isn’t 2 meters just six feet? Isn’t that close to average now? ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/113 "2002-12-16T17:47:31Z")
no 2 meters are 6.56168 Feet If you look at the relative size of Picard to others he meets if he were 6 1/2 feet tall… how big would the others be? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/114 "2002-12-16T17:52:44Z")
How could the word “Lor” not be used in this movie at all? How could early industrial dune buggies keep up with the federation dune buggies? How could they not let LeForge have some sort of emotion after the death of his best friend? Why did Picard, after using his super human strength to pull down part of the wall to impale Shinzon, just stand there? There was a minute left in the count down he needed to do something instead of just stealing from LotR. When the bad guys beamed over why weren’t force field errected around them? How could they not have data-gump do Pop goes the Weasle at the end instead of Blue Skies? How could they not end the movie with Picard walking out of the room with Data-Gump and then have Data-Gump do the Lor facial twitch and then sing Blue Skies? ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/115 "2002-12-16T18:28:09Z")
Some of your complaints are okay, but these two are just wrong: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kingpengvin \* > 5) Troi has the bridge?!?!?!? > 7) Super Data shot as he flies to the Reman vessel There was an episode at the end of TNG where Troi took the test to become Commander specifically so she _could_ take the bridge. If you think she shouldn’t, well, then you’re just sexist. 😛 And that was one of the coolest shots ever. So step down. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/116 "2002-12-16T18:39:51Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\* If you think she shouldn’t, well, then you’re just sexist._\* I regarded that as humor in reference to the ship crashing in one of the movies when she had the helm. It was funny. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/117 "2002-12-16T18:41:09Z")
I have question about the cloaking devises. Why hasn’t the Federation figure out the technology to trace ships that are cloaked? Because then it wouldn’t be interesting anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/118 "2002-12-16T18:43:08Z")
They have repeatedly. Geordie even mentioned some of the methods when they were scanning for the cloaked ship. ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/119 "2002-12-16T18:58:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\*Some of your complaints are okay, but these two are just wrong:There was an episode at the end of TNG where Troi took the test to become Commander specifically so she _could_ take the bridge. If you think she shouldn’t, well, then you’re just sexist. 😛 And that was one of the coolest shots ever. So step down. 😉 \*\* Not sexist… Troi has proven her incompetence in crisis command situations before. She succeeded only by luck and the competence of others. As for the test she took it so many times she just ran out of options to screw it up. And coolest shot?!?!? Crap on a crutch that was so cheeseball I wanted to sing the theme from Superman as he went sailing across. My eye sockets bled because my eyes were rolling back so far. Hell if he used a shuttle he could just as easily rammed the bridge of the Remen vessel and destroyed the device as he did firing on it. ---
**Author:** ![Heloise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e36b37/32.png) [@Heloise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heloise)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065/120 "2002-12-16T19:10:21Z")
I liked it. And I thought most of the nitpicks that were posted here were actually explainable, going back to the different TNG episodes. Although I would have liked to have seen Denise Crosby as the Romulan daughter of Tasha Yar. She could have been part of the reason that they tried to duplicate Picard. Just because they didn’t age him 30 years to be Picard’s age doesn’t mean that they didn’t age him at least once before so that he would reach an age old enough to learn, then dump him in the mines. It doesn’t really say at what age he was dumped on Remus, does it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saw-star-trek-nemesis-last-night-any-questions-spoilers-probably/142065.md?page=7)