# Sawyer pronunciation

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**Created:** [March 8, 2008, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565 "2008-03-08T04:32:09Z")\
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There’s a show on TV now mentioning people who saw – sawyers. The narrator pronounces it SOY-er. I’d always thought it was pronounced SAW-yer, rhyming with ‘lawyer’.

So I looked it up on Merriam-Webster and listened to the pronunciation. M-W has the SOY-er pronunciation. For ‘lawyer’ they have both LAW-yer and LOY-er, respectively. [Answers.com](http://Answers.com) has a pronunciation (on their audio link) that sounds like something in between SAW-yer and SOY-er.

Is SAW-yer an acceptable pronunciation? If not, why not?

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**Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/2 "2008-03-08T04:49:26Z")

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Actually, [m-w.com](http://m-w.com) lists two pronunciations for sawyer:  
\ˈsȯ-yər, ˈsȯi-ər\

Cutting and pasting those characters didn’t work quite as well as I’d hoped, but the first syllable is the same as “saw” and “soy” respectively.

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[QUOTE=TWDuke]  
Actually, [m-w.com](http://m-w.com) lists two pronunciations for sawyer:  
\ˈsȯ-yər, ˈsȯi-ər\

Cutting and pasting those characters didn’t work quite as well as I’d hoped, but the first syllable is the same as “saw” and “soy” respectively.  
[/QUOTE]

You’re right. :smack: I was going by the audios.

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**Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/4 "2008-03-08T05:02:42Z")

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I’m a transplant up here in New York (albeit not one of recent vintage).

I get teased a lot for my southern-inflected pronunciation of “lawyer”. Up here they say loy-er, so I guess that rhymes with soy-er.

I did say that _they_ made fun of _me_, right? In their attempts to mock my pronunciation, they say “low yurr”. That’s not how my own pronunciation sounds to me, the “aw” diphthong being more of a moving target than the syllable “low” suggests.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/5 "2008-03-10T00:41:48Z")

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I’ve been involved in logging and lumberjack competitions for years here in the northeast and it’s always been pronounced SOY-ers.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/6 "2008-03-10T02:21:07Z")

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SOY-er/LOY-er here. Never heard anything else.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/7 "2008-03-10T03:31:52Z")

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[QUOTE=TheLoadedDog]  
SOY-er/LOY-er here. Never heard anything else.  
[/QUOTE]  
Ditto.

The antipodes Dogs have it.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/8 "2008-03-10T03:56:47Z")

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Well, since he’s a Southern character, it’s SAW-yer.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/9 "2008-03-10T04:04:25Z")

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What about Huckleberry Finn?  
I’ve heard “Huhckelbehrry Phinn”  
And “Huwlkerbearie Feen”  
??

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/10 "2008-03-10T04:10:22Z")

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[QUOTE=spoke-]  
Well, since he’s a Southern character, it’s SAW-yer.  
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Southern? Kid’s from Missouri! Border State!  
SOY-yer

(Geddy Lee also says “SOY-yer”)

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/11 "2008-03-10T04:24:36Z")

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[QUOTE=Diomedes]  
Southern? Kid’s from Missouri! Border State!  
SOY-yer

**(Geddy Lee also says “SOY-yer”**)  
[/QUOTE]

He also says “Bytor And The Snowdog”.  
🙂

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/12 "2008-03-10T04:31:49Z")

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Never mind.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/13 "2008-03-10T05:40:25Z")

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[QUOTE=TheLoadedDog]  
SOY-er/LOY-er here. Never heard anything else.  
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Same here.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/14 "2008-03-10T14:48:31Z")

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[QUOTE=TheLoadedDog]  
SOY-er/LOY-er here. Never heard anything else.  
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I’ve heard SOY-er/LOY-er, but only from northern transplants. That pronunciation makes no sense to me.

Of course, this is English we’re talking about, so all pronunciation bets are off.

On a side note, I remember a thread a couple of years ago where people discussed the pronunciation of “caught.” It turns out that some people pronounce it identically with “cot.” This blew my mind.

RR

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/15 "2008-03-10T21:36:45Z")

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I’ve always said law-yer and saw-yer (even though evil Dad despised lawyers.) A similar occupational surname, Bowyer, (guy who makes bows, I guess) is always Boy-er.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/16 "2008-03-10T22:26:17Z")

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LAW-yer, SAW-yer.

My best friend growing up had parents from Chicago. She said LOY-yer, SOY-yer.

Drove me nuts. As I always asked her - do LOYyers practice LOY? No, they do not. QED, I’m right.

😛

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sawyer-pronunciation/440565/17 "2008-03-10T22:47:07Z")

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The branch of my family named Sawyer prefers Saw-yer. I spoke to one of my relatives from that branch this weekend.

Apparently it is not uncommon for people to say Soyer, and I even heard a story about Soyer’s soybeans and childhood teasing.

But according to them, it is Saw-yer.
