# Saying Hot Chick = Being A Misogynist Asshole **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925 "2018-09-07T04:12:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/362 "2018-09-10T13:29:20Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Or could it be that you’re just so married to a certain worldview that you ignore all evidence to the contrary? If he’s married to a male worldview, does that mean he supports SSM? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/363 "2018-09-10T15:17:23Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Damn, did he really just up and say the country was a better place when white so-called Christian men were in charge and everybody else knew their place? And not for the first time. It’s his thang. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/364 "2018-09-10T15:30:46Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Damn, did he really just up and say the country was a better place when white so-called Christian men were in charge and everybody else knew their place? Yes he did. We libbies have ruined the joint. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/365 "2018-09-10T15:37:18Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Thanks very much indeed for the kind words, folks! But I have to note that the word “penisfeelings” is not of my coinage; I don’t know where it originated. [Penis Feelings](http://weknowmemes.com/2012/08/penis-feelings/), it’s not exactly the same usage, but it’s a pretty close match. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/366 "2018-09-10T15:38:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Actually, the world was a much more peaceful place prior to the ascendancy of liberalism. Now we’ve got a thousand different groups all hating each other because none of the groups behave the way the other groups have decided they should. I should note that Tom Lehrer’s “National Brotherhood Week,” a song about how every group hates every other group, was written in 1964 or 1965. ETA: Yes, America was much more peaceful in the 1950s [when black people didn’t try to attend the same schools as whites did](https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1038453005740326917), and when Jews were banned from the best country clubs. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/367 "2018-09-10T16:58:39Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Actually already was doing that. Me, too. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/368 "2018-09-10T17:01:23Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > This is no way a thread on moderator actions/beliefs board related to a question in ABTMB. > > It is, but it isn’t. > > To women, what part of ‘Hot Chick’ is offensive, the hot part or chick? Can someone change the thread title of this thread? The moron that posted it didn’t write it correctly. “Saying Hot Chick = Being A Misogynist Asshole” should read, “Saying Hot Chick **AND** Being A Misogynist Asshole” or “ **When** Saying Hot Chick = Being A Misogynist Asshole” ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/369 "2018-09-10T17:14:37Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I should note that Tom Lehrer’s “National Brotherhood Week,” a song about how every group hates every other group, was written in 1964 or 1965. > > ETA: Yes, America was much more peaceful in the 1950s [when black people didn’t try to attend the same schools as whites did](https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1038453005740326917), and when Jews were banned from the best country clubs. The world would be a much better place if Ruby had acted the way other groups\* wanted her to. \*white people Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/370 "2018-09-10T17:27:25Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Damn, did he really just up and say the country was a better place when white so-called Christian men were in charge and everybody else knew their place? That’s not the only thing. Traditionalist pre-1960 mores didn’t permit the labeling of well dressed upper class women as, “Hot chicks”. Contemporary mores don’t allow it either, for separate reasons. To find a time where such behavior is acceptable, you have to turn your clock back to a few months during the shag carpet era. Shortly after “Groovy” fell out of use, but way before “Dude” became popular. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/371 "2018-09-10T17:54:32Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > {…} Traditionalist pre-1960 mores didn’t permit the labeling of well dressed upper class women as, “Hot chicks”. {…} This is why this particular episode of ‘The Starving Artist Show’ makes no fucking sense. I really wish more people, if they are going to focus on SA, would focus on this contradiction. > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > {…} Contemporary mores don’t allow it either, for separate reasons. {…} Alls I can think is that we ain’t allowed to adopt some of his mores without adopting all of them . . . while ignoring the actual effects and back stories of his mores. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/372 "2018-09-10T18:47:25Z")
I actually have some sympathies with traditionalist conservatism. What I’ve only figured out recently is that it’s been pretty much abandoned by modern conservatives. Ironically, modern conservatives have very little sense of history. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/373 "2018-09-10T21:27:52Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I actually have some sympathies with traditionalist conservatism. Oh? Which aspects? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/374 "2018-09-10T21:49:35Z")
I know most of those in this thread who could be reached by this likely already have been, but this is a really nice piece about issues raised by this thread: [#MeToo movement: what so many men are missing - Vox](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/10/17826168/me-too-louis-ck-men-comeback) ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/375 "2018-09-10T22:01:04Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Oh? Which aspects? One example: traditional Christians are demanding of themselves, merciful to others. They don’t let themselves off easy. Cite from 1832. Read the full page to get a flavor: [Maxims of Piety and of Christianity. New edition - Thomas Wilson - Google Books](https://books.google.com/books?id=AsBjAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=christian+piety+judge+not+lest+ye+be+judged&source=bl&ots=096EBbqGnJ&sig=RagaWOWddRBlTM5NtqRFC4iRdWE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFz6eGtrHdAhUCQK0KHcc-BugQ6AEwAnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=christian%20piety%20judge%20not%20lest%20ye%20be%20judged&f=false) I obtained that open source work by googling “chrisitan piety judge not lest ye be judged” [INDENT] \*Judges ought to take care to examine every thing, but especially their own hearts, lest passion and prejudice should pervert justice. … You see a poor man working hard for his daily bread, and but just able to get it. You find yourself in easy circumstances; you want nothing; you fear no want, you meet with no trouble; you bless yourself and your condition, and think yourself happier than the poor man. You do not consider, after all, that this was in some measure the case of Lazarus and the rich man; and that the poor man is in a fairer way to heaven than you are. This will make you thoughtful. \* [/INDENT] ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/376 "2018-09-10T22:18:12Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > I know most of those in this thread who could be reached by this likely already have been, but this is a really nice piece about issues raised by this thread: [#MeToo movement: what so many men are missing - Vox](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/10/17826168/me-too-louis-ck-men-comeback) From the link: > [@](#): > > But my dudes: Women know there are gradations of abuse. They are scholars on the subject. They know there’s a difference between making suggestive dick jokes and waving your dick at her, and waving your dick at her and holding her down, and holding her down and penetrating her, and penetrating her and hitting her, and hitting her and later freezing her bank account and threatening to kill her if she tells anyone — and actually killing her, which happens to roughly three women a day here in the US. Women are quite sensitive to these differences. They rarely need them explained, by even the most well-intentioned man. > > Of course harassment and abuse exist along a spectrum. The point is not that everything on the spectrum is the same, but that it’s all the same spectrum — a range of expressions that trace to a core set of ideas, namely that women are objects, adjuncts to men, there to soothe, coddle, please, or serve men, subject to their control and abuse. Yes, indeed, it’s all the same spectrum. Thanks for the link **wonky**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![chaika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chaika/32/405_2.png) [@chaika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaika)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/377 "2018-09-11T00:34:06Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Thanks very much indeed for the kind words, folks! But I have to note that the word “penisfeelings” is not of my coinage; I don’t know where it originated. > > Thank you! I don’t think it’s patience so much as whatever it is that makes me the person at knitting circle who jumps at the chance to unravel somebody else’s catastrophically tangled skein of yarn. 🙂 The typical **Starving Artist** post is the same sort of intriguingly snarled-up mess, with clumps of assertions, generalizations, prejudices, logical inconsistencies, anger and sentimentalism all graunched together. There’s something fascinating about pulling on the different ends of the rhetoric and seeing all the underlying issues they reveal as you draw them out of the tangle. That is a brilliant metaphor. Absolutely spot on. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/378 "2018-09-11T01:13:33Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > One example: traditional Christians are demanding of themselves, merciful to others. They don’t let themselves off easy. > > Cite from 1832. Read the full page to get a flavor: [Maxims of Piety and of Christianity. New edition - Thomas Wilson - Google Books](https://books.google.com/books?id=AsBjAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=christian+piety+judge+not+lest+ye+be+judged&source=bl&ots=096EBbqGnJ&sig=RagaWOWddRBlTM5NtqRFC4iRdWE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFz6eGtrHdAhUCQK0KHcc-BugQ6AEwAnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=christian%20piety%20judge%20not%20lest%20ye%20be%20judged&f=false) > > I obtained that open source work by googling “chrisitan piety judge not lest ye be judged” > [INDENT] \*Judges ought to take care to examine every thing, but especially their own hearts, lest passion and prejudice should pervert justice. > … > You see a poor man working hard for his daily bread, and but just able to get it. You find yourself in easy circumstances; you want nothing; you fear no want, you meet with no trouble; you bless yourself and your condition, and think yourself happier than the poor man. You do not consider, after all, that this was in some measure the case of Lazarus and the rich man; and that the poor man is in a fairer way to heaven than you are. This will make you thoughtful. \* [/INDENT] Ah, I thought you were speaking of political conservatives. Me, I believe in fiscal responsibility and emphasizing fundamentals in education. Both these positions make us flaming liberals now. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/379 "2018-09-11T01:22:15Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > I know most of those in this thread who could be reached by this likely already have been, but this is a really nice piece about issues raised by this thread: [#MeToo movement: what so many men are missing - Vox](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/10/17826168/me-too-louis-ck-men-comeback) Great read. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Sloe\_Moe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sloe\_Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sloe_Moe)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/380 "2018-09-11T02:38:05Z")
Can’t we even use it descriptively? “The one on the right, yeah the hot one.” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/381 "2018-09-11T02:51:32Z")
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