# Saying Hot Chick = Being A Misogynist Asshole **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925 "2018-09-07T04:12:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/21 "2018-09-07T06:19:54Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > “Hot stud” is the comparable term for men. Men like to be called that. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/22 "2018-09-07T06:20:32Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **SA** Your hot take is that women should be grateful that they’re good looking enough that anyone will bother being nice to them? No, my hot take is exactly what I said right there in black & white. It doesn’t need you to recast it in insulting ways that change its meaning. But since you obviously missed it, I’ll state it again. It is my opinion that attractive women would be happier if they were to recognize and appreciate the blessings their looks bestow upon them, and to recognize and be philosophical about the fact that a certain amount of unwanted attention is the flip side of those blessings. And that they are likely far better off having the problems they have to contend with now than they would be were they unattractive and drawing no attention at all, from anyone. In other words, and as it pertains to you and not attractive women in general, stop insisting that you have a right to have your cake and eat it too, and that anyone who tries to explain that this isn’t possible is some misogynistic asshole who hates women. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/23 "2018-09-07T06:23:52Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Yeah, listen to what the man says and don’t worry your pretty little heads! > > :smack: > CMC fnord! Merely trying to avoid the inevitable accusations that I’m stating opinion as fact. Hopefully one of your limited intelligence will be able to grasp this fact once it’s been explained. My hope is limited however. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/24 "2018-09-07T06:28:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Merely trying to avoid the inevitable accusations that I’m stating opinion as fact. > > Hopefully one of your limited intelligence will be able to grasp this fact once it’s been explained. > > My hope is limited however. Yes, and the wimmins are telling you your ‘opinion’ doesn’t matter. Hopefully one with _your_ limited intelligence will be able to grasp this fact once it’s been explained. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/25 "2018-09-07T06:32:14Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Yes, and the wimmins are telling you your ‘opinion’ doesn’t matter. > > Hopefully one with _your_ limited intelligence will be able to grasp this fact once it’s been explained. > > CMC fnord! Only the women here apparently. Every other woman that SA has met in his life has been entirely subservient, happy to be dehumanized and just overjoyed with their role in life. They never complain, they’re just HAPPY to be women. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/26 "2018-09-07T06:33:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > to me, hearing a woman complain about the attention her looks bring is like listening to someone with money complain about how hard it is to find good help these days or the trouble they’ve been having with their new Lexus. It would probably be more accurate to compare it to someone with money complaining about how they frequently get aggressively panhandled by people who block their path while demanding handouts, sometimes in a quite threatening way. Or how they frequently get annoying strangers banging on the windows of their new Lexus and demanding to be given rides. Society doesn’t treat that sort of behavior as just “low-grade hassles” that are the inevitable “flip side to the benefits” of having money. We treat it as invasive and unacceptable deliberate assholery that nobody should have to put up with, no matter how wealthy they are. We likewise should treat the aggressive rudeness and baseless demands for attention that some men inflict on women as invasive and unacceptable deliberate assholery that nobody should have to put up with, no matter how beautiful they are. (And it’s not true that women can escape that kind of deliberate assholery merely by not being beautiful. Not only are plenty of men willing to annoy even ordinary-looking women with catcalls and leering and other aggressively sexual invitations, but many of those same men also have no qualms about annoying women they consider too unattractive to catcall with jeers and insults instead. None of it is really a compliment: it’s all fundamentally _“hey woman, defer to my demands for attention because I’m a man and I’m entitled to your attention”_.) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/27 "2018-09-07T06:36:01Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Men like to be called that. Most would, yeah, and that’s why it’s not equivalent. “Hot stud” also implies that the guy is sexually virile, and many guys would be happy to have that affirmation. I’m a guy, and I acknowledge that I have no real clue about how it feels to be consistently and constantly objectified, as women in our society do, way too frequently… I’m thankful that this board, and many posts and threads by the women here, has really helped to open my eyes about it. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/28 "2018-09-07T06:45:05Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I’m a guy, and I acknowledge that I have no real clue about how it feels to be consistently and constantly objectified Let’s imagine. Every man has to drop his pants whenever requested, and his “bits” assessed. If they aren’t impressive, he gets to go through life being referred to as “tiny dick”. The ones who are considered adequate can be accepted and allowed to function, the big dicked can be allowed to hang around and show everyone their bits whenever told to. Their only purpose is to show that their companion is impressive enough to command a big dick. And they’d all better keep their idiotic mouths firmly shut, their only role is to be assessed and paraded about. And they should be happy about it. string of how-can-anyone-be-so-clueless invective… (EDIT: that’s not directed at you, kenobi) ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/29 "2018-09-07T06:50:47Z")
I think it bears mentioning that MANY young women (under age 25, just taking a random stab) would certainly not be offended by being called a hot chick. Many young women (not most, but many) spend their late adolescence and early adulthood seeking ‘hot chick’ status. Just look at the number of ‘hot chick’ selfies on FB and Instagram for example. But once these young women grow past the ‘look at me’ phase, which they almost invariably do (Kardashians etc excepted), the hot chick label grows tiresome. It’s nothing but a derogatory put-down and that even after age 25, women are not to be valued for their contributions to the workplace, their community or to their families. It’s only about their value as a pretty thing for men to ogle, comment on or to be assaulted. When MEN understand that calling women ‘hot chicks’ is something to be discouraged, we might go some way towards a better social relationship with ALL women. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/30 "2018-09-07T06:58:32Z")
> [@blob](#): > > Let’s imagine. Every man has to drop his pants whenever requested, and his “bits” assessed. If they aren’t impressive, he gets to go through life being referred to as “tiny dick”. The ones who are considered adequate can be accepted and allowed to function, the big dicked can be allowed to hang around and show everyone their bits whenever told to. Their only purpose is to show that their companion is impressive enough to command a big dick. And they’d all better keep their idiotic mouths firmly shut, their only role is to be assessed and paraded about. And they should be happy about it. > > string of how-can-anyone-be-so-clueless invective… (EDIT: that’s not directed at you, kenobi) OK, but who’s gonna explain to SA that having a big dick and being a big dick ain’t the same thing? Hopefully one of his limited intelligence will be able to grasp this difference once it’s been explained. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/31 "2018-09-07T07:02:59Z")
I am the Mother of 2 attractive young women. I assure you they don’t want to be called ‘hot-chick’ by any one. It is derogatory and demeaning. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/32 "2018-09-07T07:08:29Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I assure you they don’t want to be called ‘hot-chick’ by any one. Well, they should, and they should be grateful anyone wants to call them that. :rolleyes: They also want a creepy old bastard to escort them around because they are incapable. Or so I’ve heard. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/33 "2018-09-07T07:11:33Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I am the Mother of 2 attractive young women. I assure you they don’t want to be called ‘hot-chick’ by any one. It is derogatory and demeaning. Indeed, it is derogatory and it needs to be stopped. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/34 "2018-09-07T07:13:17Z")
> [@blob](#): > > Well, they should, and they should be grateful anyone wants to call them that. :rolleyes: They also want a creepy old bastard to escort them around because they are incapable. Or so I’ve heard. Creepy old chivalrous HERO bastards. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/35 "2018-09-07T07:13:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Which part of being called a misogynist asshole is offensive to you, the misogynist part or asshole? I’ve read this whole thread and so far this post is by far the winner. Nice one! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/36 "2018-09-07T07:15:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s funny, but women in the bad old 50s and 60s seemed to be a lot happier than women today. I’m guessing this is because they haven’t been taught by people with an agenda to seek out things to exaggerate the importance of and to get offended by and pissed off about. Sure - they didn’t have to be stressed out by being doctors and lawyers, just nurses and secretaries as god intended, right? Maybe you should think about why those early feminist books sold so well. I don’t think we men bought that many of them. ---
**Author:** ![BeeGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BeeGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeGee)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/37 "2018-09-07T07:25:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Two things: > > One: Guys act like that as a result of the culture that exists in this country today. They weren’t always as openly crass and vulgar as they are now. (Neither were women, for that matter.) > > Two: It’s hard to say who’s unhappier. The good-looking girl who gets attention, or the homely one who doesn’t. > > My money’s on the homely one. I’d bet a fair amount that if most women who are attractive enough to draw unwanted attention were to suddenly wake up homely and treated as if they were invisible, they’d give anything to go back to being pretty again. > > Good looks are a huge gift and people with them benefit in countless ways, big and small. But like with people born into money, they don’t appreciate the good things their looks bring them because it’s normal and seems to be just the way life is. Take it away though and they find they’re living in a much different and less deferential world, and with far fewer options too. > > To me the low-grade hassles that women have to endure because of their attractiveness are the flip side to the benefits they derive from being attractive. There are pros and cons to everything, and in my opinion attractive women would be much happier if they were to focus on and be appreciative and thankful for the good things their looks bring them and be more philosophical and accepting of the fact that along with those blessings comes a certain degree of annoyance. > > None of us can have it all our way all the time, and to me, hearing a woman complain about the attention her looks bring is like listening to someone with money complain about how hard it is to find good help these days or the trouble they’ve been having with their new Lexus. > > IMO there’s far too much fault-finding and whinging going on these days and far too little appreciation for the many blessings of all kinds that most of us enjoy today. tl;dr: only ugly feminists object to the term “hot chick”. That’s where you’re headed with this, right? Ladies, I think this fucker is telling us to stare at the ceiling and think of England. Being objectified is a first world problem if you’re pretty. You’re just jealous if you’re not. That’s all I hear when Sir Gallahad of the Parking Lot nails his fucking theses to the for the 99th time. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/38 "2018-09-07T07:25:38Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Creepy old chivalrous HERO bastards. 😃 Creepy old _ **gentlemanly** _ chivalrous HERO bastards…:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/39 "2018-09-07T07:30:40Z")
> [@BeeGee](#): > > {…} his fucking **theses** {…} A misspelling, I’m sure. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/40 "2018-09-07T07:33:41Z")
> [@BeeGee](#): > > That’s all I hear when Sir Gallahad of the Parking Lot nails his fucking theses to the for the 99th time. Sir Gallahad of the Parking Lot? Brilliant. I’m stealing it. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925.md?page=3)