# Saying Hot Chick = Being A Misogynist Asshole **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925 "2018-09-07T04:12:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/141 "2018-09-07T16:19:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Calling someone a “fag” or “dyke” is another thing I’ve never seen described as sexual harassment. Nor “misgendering” a person, or texting someone in “a harassing way” Welcome to 2018, Rip. What year did you say it was when you went to sleep? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/142 "2018-09-07T16:20:29Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > It means a particular thing. Not just “ooh she looks good”, try to understand. There is no comparison in a descriptor for men. When you spent the whole of your life fending off men with bad action in mind. Or you’ve heard catcalls and rude remarks at every turn the least remark just piles on. I am no Miss America, but I am thin and blond( not so young anymore:() and let me tell you the hits just keep coming. I was at a highschool, crawling around a gym floor, last year, painting a logo. Those high school boys just came out of the woodwork. I couldn’t have been more homely but they called, whistled and used nasty words. It was horrific. I wasn’t sure I could finish among all of that. I did though. I swore to never put myself it that situation again. I shouldn’t have to make those decisions. It’s not fair. No, hot-chick is a bad term. It implies sexual mis-conduct as much as slut or whore. Don’t use it. The experience you had with those high school boys was horrible and should not happen to anyone. It was horrible because of the “catcalls, whistles and nasty words”. And if hot chick was one of the words/phrases used in such a nasty way by these boys, it’s misogyny lies in the context/motive for its use and not inherent in the phrase itself. I don’t know where you get the notion that the term “hot chick” implies any sort of sexual misconduct, like whatsoever. To compare “hot chick” to “slut” or “whore” is to introduce personal baggage to the term that improperly lumps all three terms together. How a woman interprets “hot chick” is context-dependent. How a woman interprets “whore” or “slut” is generally consistent in most all contexts. > [@kambuckta](#): > > A straight woman would NEVER refer to another woman as being a hot chick, and the language used is the domain of males only. I know i am not a woman but my (admittedly quite limited) experience strongly contradicts this statement. I see it as an example of a minority group “reclaiming” words or phrases that the majority/out-group uses as a tool of oppression. I hear many, many more women calling other women “hot chicks” than i do men calling women “hot chicks”. Now this is not to compare any of it to the frequency with which i hear men calling women “hot chicks” _to other men_, but that is a bit different I guess. And I am a bit taken aback by the ferocity and confidence with which you seem willing to speak for all women. You are speaking as though “women” are some hive-mind entity that has one voice. Thats silly, im sure. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/143 "2018-09-07T16:26:22Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure, but only the “hotness” seems to be described as misogynistic. What about comments about intelligence? Would that be misogynistic as well, or just jerkish? Well, it would depend on the context. If you were inappropriately commenting on a woman’s intelligence in a situation where you wouldn’t comment on a man’s, that could be misogynistic. Maybe as a visualization exercise you could try to think of some ways in which you could be commenting inappropriately about a man, having nothing to do with sexualization or misogyny. Say, you are tasked with presenting a co-worker an award at a company meeting and you start talking about how poorly you think he handled his recent divorce, and how you were concerned for a long while about his surreptitious heavy drinking. Sexualizing or appearance-focused? No. Misogynistic? Certainly not. Inappropriate? Hell to the yes. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/144 "2018-09-07T16:42:38Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > “Hot stud” is the comparable term for men. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Men like to be called that. Context again. If an attractive young woman were to call me that once or twice, I would be flattered and embarrassed. But let’s try another scenario: I’m a straight man (as I am IRL). Now the “hot stud” comments are coming from gay men. Lots of gay men, regularly and aggressively - sometimes several times a day. Gay men who are bigger and stronger than me, to the point of being physically intimidating, and sometimes in groups. Gay men who occasionally make much more salacious comments (to the point of being explicit). Some even physically grope me in public to express their view of me as a “hot stud”. Still think I’d find that flattering? > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > You are an idiot. If you ever had breasts, as most women do, you’ve experienced ogling and worse. Get a clue. And stfu. To be fair, we don’t know he doesn’t have breasts. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Should I be going to all the women twitter users with names that contain “Hot Chick” and tell them to stop oppressing themselves? See also: “Black people use the N-word all the time to refer to each other - why can’t I?” ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/145 "2018-09-07T16:55:24Z")
I have a co-worker who uses this term. She identifies specific women as ‘hot chicks’ and is upset at the perks that they get. She thinks that they expect to get perks because of their hotness (autocomplete suggested ‘abilities’ - how nice!) and I think it’s the expectation of those perks that upsets her. Still not nice. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/146 "2018-09-07T17:08:24Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Using simply the _term_ “hot chick” is not very objectionable to me when it is context appropriate. But even then it seems a bit dated, like “negro”. I guess this best sums up where I fall on the issue. Commenting on someone being ‘hot’, ‘attractive’, or ‘a babe’ seems minor enough to me (although it seems some in this thread think even that’s going too far) but in terms of ‘chick’, it’s dated and old. I can’t think of anyone my age saying it recently, or really ever that I can remember. But I do recall watching Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee with Jay Leno and he said the term. Not meant as derogatory in any way, just a sign that’s he’s old. If it’s on its way out, great. No big loss as it’s on its way out anyway. But to subscribe to the notion that _any_ use of a descriptor regarding how attractive a women is, that it’s misogynistic, dehumanizing, or meant to keep women in their place, and should never been done or allowed, is pretty… ridiculous. IMO. It’s outrage for outrage’s sake and I wonder (and hope) that had the person that first used ‘chick’ in the other thread said ‘attractive women’ instead, this would never have come up to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/147 "2018-09-07T17:10:28Z")
**Kimstu** is doing a great job, as always, and I’ll repeat my challenge to **Starving Artist** that I brought in another thread, which he ignored: you have dozens of woman Dopers telling you that your approach to women’s issues is wildly off target. Is there a single – just one – woman Doper who will endorse your rhetorical and philosophical approach is reasonable? If not, if every single woman Doper is telling you that your approach is horrifying, harmful, and/or stupid, then does that not give you any pause that maybe the way you explain things on this board about women is the wrong approach? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/148 "2018-09-07T17:34:09Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > I have a co-worker who uses this term. She identifies specific women as ‘hot chicks’ and is upset at the perks that they get. She thinks that they expect to get perks because of their hotness (autocomplete suggested ‘abilities’ - how nice!) and I think it’s the expectation of those perks that upsets her. > > Still not nice. You mean she’s not using it as a compliment? How strange. Maybe some of the men in this thread, and the other ATMB thread, could explain to her that the term is purely flattering and she’ll stop using in reference to women who rely on their looks to get ahead. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/149 "2018-09-07T17:38:35Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > Suppose you expressed an interesting thought, and people responded to it _not_ in a way that acknowledged any part of what you had said, but which instead focused on who they thought _you_ were, and that they made lewd or even semi-complimentary (for that matter) comments about _you_ but ignored the content of what you said. Suppose they did that a whole lot. Suppose they did that not only to you but to everyone who shared a categorical characteristic with you… It wouldn’t take long before you resented it, right? Of course. And I’d be in agreement with anyone who argued that in the scenario you present it’s demeaning, dismissive, and inappropriate. No disagreement there at all. But what’s being discussed or was being said in another thread, the woman being called a ‘hot chick’ was doing nothing more than sitting in a crowd, said by someone making a point about their looks. It wasn’t dismissive, demeaning, or anything of the sort. It was used to further a point the person was trying to make, ie what’s behind replacing her with Condi Rice (or vice versa)? I don’t see how that’s a derogatory, psychological attack on women. Not that that isn’t a point, sure it is and sure it happens, but the mere act of saying a woman’s hot, attractive, etc. and equals that is a threshold too low, to the point of being absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/150 "2018-09-07T17:48:22Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Welcome to 2018, Rip. What year did you say it was when you went to sleep? Must have been the year where everyone didn’t make up whatever definitions they wanted for “sexual harassment” ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/151 "2018-09-07T17:55:55Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Context. There are some contexts where saying a particular woman is stupid is misogynistic? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/152 "2018-09-07T17:59:58Z")
Ladies and gentlemen, this is modern American conservatism: it all boils down to their war on decent manners. They resent attempts to curb their bigotry (they call it political correctness) and in this instance they think it’s their right to be total skeeves in mixed company. They want it to be all id, all the time - for them. Next up: Trenchcoat Americans: the True Victims? What’s particularly laughable are the claims regarding false outrage: this is all based on a low wattage mod note, which freaked out the conservatives on this message board who can’t grasp the concept of polite company. Explanation about why something is objectionable only rile them up more: remember, it’s all id all the time to them. Last stop: “I’m not for sexism, but I’m against anti-sexism!!” ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/153 "2018-09-07T18:00:14Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > This is no way a thread on moderator actions/beliefs board related to a question in ABTMB. > > It is, but it isn’t. > > To women, what part of ‘Hot Chick’ is offensive, the hot part or chick? Hot chick is not supposed to be used in conversation with women, unless your mansplaining to your G/F why your checking out the other chick. Hot Chick is supposed to be used in conversation with your buds, your reasoning as to why the hotness descriptor, is she tropical or radioactive or ice queen / librarian. Using that term in conversation with a civillian is just gonna be a train wreck, its fun for everyone else to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/154 "2018-09-07T18:02:09Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > There are some contexts where saying a particular woman is stupid is misogynistic? Pst: think “Bimbo”. It links gender with intelligence and offers the target as an example of a generalization of a particular sex. > [@](#): > > Hot chick is not supposed to be used in conversation with women… To be fair, ironic intent can sometimes give you a pass. Also casual apologies and backpeddling as appropriate. Easier in speech than with the written word. Context, context, context. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/155 "2018-09-07T18:06:06Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Of course. And I’d be in agreement with anyone who argued that in the scenario you present it’s demeaning, dismissive, and inappropriate. No disagreement there at all. > > But what’s being discussed or was being said in another thread, the woman being called a ‘hot chick’ was doing nothing more than sitting in a crowd, said by someone making a point about their looks. It wasn’t dismissive, demeaning, or anything of the sort. It was used to further a point the person was trying to make, ie what’s behind replacing her with Condi Rice (or vice versa)? > > I don’t see how that’s a derogatory, psychological attack on women. > > Not that that isn’t a point, sure it is and sure it happens, but the mere act of saying a woman’s hot, attractive, etc. and equals that is a threshold too low, to the point of being absurd. You people really are dumb if you’ve been reading all the comments and still don’t get it. How do you even dress yourselves? You have a boardful of women telling you this is demeaning and you’re still like, “Unhhh?” :rolleyes: Of course, it’s not about not understanding. Women and intelligent men know it’s about power and maintaining your sense of superiority. Why else would men like you fight so viciously for your supposed “right” to comment on a woman’s appearance? Despite being told countless times by women that it’s degrading, demeaning and dehumanizing? You mansplain and try to justify it from a million different angles trying to convince us it’s nothing. Well, it’s not nothing and your shit is no longer working. You and your fellow pustules on the ass of humanity are losing. ---
**Author:** ![BeeGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BeeGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeGee)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/156 "2018-09-07T18:07:17Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I have plenty of opinions about the hotness of women I see at work, on the street, in the grocery store, wherever. I understand that they would generally prefer I keep my opinions on this subject to myself, so I do. It’s not particularly difficult. > > Now what we’re talking about in the example that the OP brings up isn’t sharing one’s opinion with the woman in question, but rather with third parties here on the Dope, where many of those third parties are women. The women here on the Dope, just like women _everyfuckingwhere_, routinely get bombarded in inappropriate situations with unsolicited opinions about their bodies, their looks, their hotness or notness. > > Opinions by male Dopers about the hotness of women in threads on completely unrelated topics just adds to that bombardment. Fellow guys, it really isn’t that difficult to keep such opinions to yourselves in threads like that. What do you say to giving it a try? Yes. Just like we teach children that they shouldn’t say everything that pops into their head. I think that old guy’s eyebrows might be pretty scary, too, but I certainly wouldn’t tell him that. If I were pointing him out to a friend, I might say “the guy with the big eyebrows”. If I were describing him to an audience of mixed people (much like a message board) and I wanted to talk about the man standing behind him, I would refer to Mr. Eyebrows as “the man in the blue shirt” or some other descriptor. Unless, of course, I wanted to divert the conversation I originally started into one about not making fun of older people or how as a woman, I don’t understand what it’s like to have hair growing out of your ears, nose, and brows like there’s no tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![BeeGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BeeGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeGee)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/157 "2018-09-07T18:08:19Z")
\*\* > [@Slash1972](#): > > There are some contexts where saying a particular woman is stupid is misogynistic? Check back a few pages where SA said I couldn’t think. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/158 "2018-09-07T18:10:05Z")
I’m pretty sure it’s in the constitution that men get to tell everyone what makes their dicks hard and everyone else has to enjoy hearing about it. Frankly, that’s the only explanation. ---
**Author:** ![HelenTroy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helentroy/32/86_2.png) [@HelenTroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenTroy)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/159 "2018-09-07T18:38:44Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, all I can say then is that your experience was unique. It’s not unique. Sincerely, Attractive Woman Nearing My Invisible Years PS - Can. Not. Wait. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925/160 "2018-09-07T18:41:26Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I’ve seen quite a few women I consider to be “hot chicks.” Actress Jenny Agutter, for example. And one of the executive assistants at my workplace. Should I be sent to a reeducation camp now? In case it hasn’t been made perfectly explicit: it’s about _behavior_, not motivations. I could say more about all this, but **Kimstu** already has, and better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/saying-hot-chick-being-a-misogynist-asshole/820925.md?page=9)