# SC voter ID law shot down
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [December 23, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222 "2011-12-23T22:42:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 18
### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/341 "2012-01-01T03:41:11Z")
No fair. Red Shirt is not my problem, **Terr** is not his. I bust his chops, but only his chops. Otherwise, hey! no fair.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/342 "2012-01-01T03:44:43Z")
Red Shirt is nobody’s problem. But **Bricker** has a standard he’d like to hold us pinkos to, and I think this is a great chance for a show of good faith.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/343 "2012-01-01T03:51:44Z")
He’s smart, we’re right. Sooner or later. he’s ours. That’s how I got here.
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### Author:  [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/344 "2012-01-01T05:11:19Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> This is so phenomenally incorrect that there’s not much to say except: nuh uh.
How do you know? You know the “correlation doesn’t equal causation” principle? The study supposedly showed that turnout decreased slightly. Do you KNOW the reason is disenfranchisement? If you do, without proof there’s not much to say except: nuh uh. Especially with numerous other studies showing that there is no turnout decrease and some showing turnout increase.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/345 "2012-01-01T05:23:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> He’s smart, we’re right. Sooner or later. he’s ours. That’s how I got here.
You need to play some Dungeons and Dragons, because eventually you’ll ask yourself what the difference is between Int and Wis, and you’ll have an epiphany.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/346 "2012-01-01T17:14:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> …I might be persuaded after seeing massive vote losses that this was a bad idea, but as I picture it now, I’m happy to see voting get treated with that level of seriousness.
Just for the record, what level of “massive” do you need, here? SC reports this will affect some eighty thousand people. Not enough? Are you shifting your position to “Yeah, this stinks, but its not very many people, so no biggie”?
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### Author:  [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/347 "2012-01-01T17:17:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> Just for the record, what level of “massive” do you need, here? SC reports this will affect some eighty thousand people.
No it doesn’t. You have no idea how many of those are registered voters who intend to vote and cannot be bothered to get the ID.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/348 "2012-01-01T17:39:52Z")
And I don’t know how many are left-handed, or prefer pepperoni pizza. You have a point?
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### Author:  [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/349 "2012-01-01T18:34:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> And I don’t know how many are left-handed, or prefer pepperoni pizza. You have a point?
Point: if you were not registered to vote before the law and are not registered to vote after it, you’re not “affected”.
Point: if you were registered but didn’t vote before the law and do not vote after it, you’re not “affected”.
Point: if you were registered and voted before the law, and after the law you get the ID and vote, you’re not “affected”.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/350 "2012-01-01T18:57:13Z")
You don’t know those numbers any more than I do, so how is it that I am required to present them and you are not? Besides which, your last point is meaningless, if you have to do something now that you didn’t have to do before, you are definitely “affected”.
Further, if this effort backfires or goes awry in some other way, the intent is still there. If I try to shoot your dog and miss, bad aim does not mean I’m innocent of malign intentions.
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### Author:  [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/351 "2012-01-01T22:04:52Z")
I could get behind requiring a picture ID provided that:
1. It’s grandfathered in say for 2016 so as to avoid any attempt or appearance at attempting to gain an unfair advantage for this year’s elections
2. It is uniform across all States (it should be harder to commit a fraud if all States have the same rules)
3. It is a free national picture ID (After all, one can register in multiple States and vote in more than one since y’all are so worried about preventing possible fraud)
As an American first and independant voter second, it really does irritate me when either of the major parties make blatant changes that disadvantages the other side.
Full, disclosure. I vote based on 2 guiding principles:
1. Rat fuck the moral majority (or whateever those loons call themselves now)
2. Whoever has the best long term fiscally responsponsible track record
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### Author:  [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/352 "2012-01-02T00:31:50Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#):
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> I could get behind requiring a picture ID provided that:
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> 1. It’s grandfathered in say for 2016 so as to avoid any attempt or appearance at attempting to gain an unfair advantage for this year’s elections
> 2. It is uniform across all States (it should be harder to commit a fraud if all States have the same rules)
> 3. It is a free national picture ID (After all, one can register in multiple States and vote in more than one since y’all are so worried about preventing possible fraud)
Who needs multiple states anyway, right? Should just be one big country.
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### Author:  [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/353 "2012-01-02T00:37:17Z")
> [@Terr](#):
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> Who needs multiple states anyway, right? Should just be one big country.
Yup, totally agree. Why should Rhode Island or Wyoming get the same representation as California or New York? It’s ridiculous.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/354 "2012-01-02T01:14:55Z")
> [@Terr](#):
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> Who needs multiple states anyway, right? Should just be one big country.
It’s already one big country. It’s time our governmental system was changed to reflect that reality.
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### Author:  [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/355 "2012-01-02T01:26:19Z")
> [@Acsenray](#):
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> It’s already one big country. It’s time our governmental system was changed to reflect that reality.
So that means that Rhode Island and Massachussetts should be covered by Texas and Tennessee’s Right-To-Work laws?
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### Author:  [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/356 "2012-01-02T01:42:35Z")
> [@Acsenray](#):
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> It’s already one big country. It’s time our governmental system was changed to reflect that reality.
Ah the respect for the Constitution I see is overwhelming.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/357 "2012-01-02T01:54:30Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#):
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> So that means that Rhode Island and Massachussetts should be covered by Texas and Tennessee’s Right-To-Work laws?
T’other way 'round.
Edit: to nitpick, the **people in** Texas and Tennessee should have union protection, as they most likely would if there were whole-country voting for representatives in a parliamentary system. I don’t give a crap about what covers Texas, Ma Bell, unicorns, or other imaginary entities.
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### Author:  [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/358 "2012-01-02T01:54:34Z")
> [@Terr](#):
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> Ah the respect for the Constitution I see is overwhelming.
Right, because we can’t change one thing without throwing out the entire constitution. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/359 "2012-01-02T03:17:44Z")
> [@Terr](#):
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> Who needs multiple states anyway, right? Should just be one big country.
Are you being sarcastic? Ya know, it’s hard to tell on a message board.
Stuff like driving age, drinking age, voter registration, and a whole list of other things ideally is uniform. “All men created equal…” and all that.
Terr, what about voters that register in two different States and vote twice (or more if they are in 4 Corners or some little State back east? Isn’t that voter fraud also keeping you up at night? What are you advocating we do about that since its a BIG potential problem?
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### Author:  [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sc-voter-id-law-shot-down/607222/360 "2012-01-02T03:22:12Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#):
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> Are you being sarcastic? Ya know, it’s hard to tell on a message board.
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> Stuff like driving age, drinking age, voter registration, and a whole list of other things ideally is uniform. “All men created equal…” and all that.
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> Terr, what about voters that register in two different States and vote twice (or more if they are in 4 Corners or some little State back east? Isn’t that voter fraud also keeping you up at night? What are you advocating we do about that since its a BIG potential problem?
Detect it and prosecute it. At state level. There are already laws on the books that allow states to use SS#s at voter registration time. Let the states coordinate SS# crosschecks with other states.
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