No fair. Red Shirt is not my problem, Terr is not his. I bust his chops, but only his chops. Otherwise, hey! no fair.
Red Shirt is nobody’s problem. But Bricker has a standard he’d like to hold us pinkos to, and I think this is a great chance for a show of good faith.
He’s smart, we’re right. Sooner or later. he’s ours. That’s how I got here.
How do you know? You know the “correlation doesn’t equal causation” principle? The study supposedly showed that turnout decreased slightly. Do you KNOW the reason is disenfranchisement? If you do, without proof there’s not much to say except: nuh uh. Especially with numerous other studies showing that there is no turnout decrease and some showing turnout increase.
You need to play some Dungeons and Dragons, because eventually you’ll ask yourself what the difference is between Int and Wis, and you’ll have an epiphany.
Just for the record, what level of “massive” do you need, here? SC reports this will affect some eighty thousand people. Not enough? Are you shifting your position to “Yeah, this stinks, but its not very many people, so no biggie”?
No it doesn’t. You have no idea how many of those are registered voters who intend to vote and cannot be bothered to get the ID.
And I don’t know how many are left-handed, or prefer pepperoni pizza. You have a point?
Point: if you were not registered to vote before the law and are not registered to vote after it, you’re not “affected”.
Point: if you were registered but didn’t vote before the law and do not vote after it, you’re not “affected”.
Point: if you were registered and voted before the law, and after the law you get the ID and vote, you’re not “affected”.
You don’t know those numbers any more than I do, so how is it that I am required to present them and you are not? Besides which, your last point is meaningless, if you have to do something now that you didn’t have to do before, you are definitely “affected”.
Further, if this effort backfires or goes awry in some other way, the intent is still there. If I try to shoot your dog and miss, bad aim does not mean I’m innocent of malign intentions.
I could get behind requiring a picture ID provided that:
- It’s grandfathered in say for 2016 so as to avoid any attempt or appearance at attempting to gain an unfair advantage for this year’s elections
- It is uniform across all States (it should be harder to commit a fraud if all States have the same rules)
- It is a free national picture ID (After all, one can register in multiple States and vote in more than one since y’all are so worried about preventing possible fraud)
As an American first and independant voter second, it really does irritate me when either of the major parties make blatant changes that disadvantages the other side.
Full, disclosure. I vote based on 2 guiding principles:
- Rat fuck the moral majority (or whateever those loons call themselves now)
- Whoever has the best long term fiscally responsponsible track record
Who needs multiple states anyway, right? Should just be one big country.
Yup, totally agree. Why should Rhode Island or Wyoming get the same representation as California or New York? It’s ridiculous.
It’s already one big country. It’s time our governmental system was changed to reflect that reality.
So that means that Rhode Island and Massachussetts should be covered by Texas and Tennessee’s Right-To-Work laws?
Ah the respect for the Constitution I see is overwhelming.
T’other way 'round.
Edit: to nitpick, the people in Texas and Tennessee should have union protection, as they most likely would if there were whole-country voting for representatives in a parliamentary system. I don’t give a crap about what covers Texas, Ma Bell, unicorns, or other imaginary entities.
Right, because we can’t change one thing without throwing out the entire constitution. :rolleyes:
Are you being sarcastic? Ya know, it’s hard to tell on a message board.
Stuff like driving age, drinking age, voter registration, and a whole list of other things ideally is uniform. “All men created equal…” and all that.
Terr, what about voters that register in two different States and vote twice (or more if they are in 4 Corners or some little State back east? Isn’t that voter fraud also keeping you up at night? What are you advocating we do about that since its a BIG potential problem?
Detect it and prosecute it. At state level. There are already laws on the books that allow states to use SS#s at voter registration time. Let the states coordinate SS# crosschecks with other states.