# Scarborough Fair: source please! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [January 23, 2001, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404 "2001-01-23T15:28:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Danimal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Danimal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danimal)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/1 "2001-01-23T15:28:17Z")
How do I get in touch with Songbird? I want to ask him (her?) where he found out about Scarborough Fair’s history. I’ve had trouble finding basic info about medieval European trade fairs: the dates they were held on, how long they lasted, when they were first instituted, stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![Danimal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Danimal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danimal)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/2 "2001-01-23T15:31:40Z")
. . . to post a [link to the article.](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mparsley.html) ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/3 "2001-01-23T16:45:52Z")
Shouldn’t we properly be referring to the song the Simon and Garfunkel song as “Scarborough Fair/Canticle”? It took me years to figure out that were two songs being sung in that cut. I never claimed to be musically gifted. ---
**Author:** ![Gordon\_T.Griffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Gordon\_T.Griffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gordon_T.Griffin)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/4 "2001-01-23T23:18:05Z")
Symbolism aside, parsley, sage, rosemayr, and thyme are the traditional English seasonigs for roast fowl. ---
**Author:** ![Songbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@Songbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Songbird)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2001, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/5 "2001-01-24T03:22:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Danimal \* > \*\*How do I get in touch with Songbird? I want to ask him (her?) where he found out about Scarborough Fair’s history. I’ve had trouble finding basic info about medieval European trade fairs: the dates they were held on, how long they lasted, when they were first instituted, stuff like that. \*\* It’s her. And I just did a web search. I’ll try to dig up the site I found, if you’re interested. Glad you enjoyed the column. We’re here to serve. SDStaffSongbird ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2001, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/6 "2001-01-24T05:01:17Z")
**Danimal,** for a fictional treatment of fairs, try _St. Peter’s Fair_ by Ellis Peters, set in Shrewsbury ~ 1143 ---
**Author:** ![bwanasimba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/53a042/32.png) [@bwanasimba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bwanasimba)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2001, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/7 "2001-01-24T09:03:11Z")
Eating a sprig of fresh (flat leaf) parsley after a particularly garlic-y meal also completely takes away the taste and smell of the garlic. Could someone more knowledgable post a link to any site that explains the curative powers of herbs that have dropped out of common knowledge? I have a book of medieval recipes from Florence that raves about these things, but it was a local publication (or I would post details). **Lion Killer** ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2001, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/8 "2001-01-24T20:38:24Z")
Not quite sure what you’re looking for. The problem is not to post a link to a site; the problem is which link to which site. A Google search under “curative herbs” turned up 4,600 hits. :eek: Here’s the first one, which itself has about 20 kajillion links to other herbal sites. [http://www.nursehealer.com/Herb.htm](http://www.nursehealer.com/Herb.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2001, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/9 "2001-01-24T23:16:09Z")
I’d always believed that “Scarborough Faire” was just referring to the town as a nice place. It is common in poetic and archaic speech to put adjectives after the nouns they modify. Old English did this a lot, and Gaelic does it that way exclusively, I believe. In other words, “Faire” is the adjective, not “Scarborough”. So it is just talking about “Fair Scarborough”. Then again, I’ve never done any research into it. But since none of the rest of the song seems to refer to a fair, it seems resonable to me. Sorry to distract from the search for sources. Just thought this minor comment was better here than in a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2001, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scarborough-fair-source-please/51404/10 "2001-01-29T00:18:20Z")
Saltire Faire: As adjectives follow nouns in the Anglo-French used in heraldry, _of course_ someone named after a heraldry term would think that! 😃