# Scary Anglican Crucifix removed.... **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 8, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383 "2009-01-08T16:05:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/61 "2009-01-09T19:13:15Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Someone tossed of a comment along the lines of “he suffered for 3 days but his followers can’t get over it 2 millenia later.” But did that person tie the “suffering” comment to a question of his existence? > [@](#): > > I think he’s grasping at straws, but it wouldn’t be the first time a believer cried persecution to set the agenda. 😛 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/62 "2009-01-09T19:17:01Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Well, until the other suspects started nattering about how they know what Jesus looked like, the question did not come up. > > Who said he “didn’t have it so bad” if he existed? You better not be suspecting me over there. I said he wasn’t as skinny as a lich. That observation is entirely consistent with your claim that he never existed. If he never existed, then logically he can’t be that skinny, now can he? He wouldn’t possess any attributes. We are not in disagreement, so stop disagreeing with me. Otherwise I shall be forced to describe other famous characters of uncertain historicity, and nobody wants that. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/63 "2009-01-09T19:40:11Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > You better not be suspecting me over there. I said he wasn’t as skinny as a lich. That observation is entirely consistent with your claim that he never existed. Your observation, however, \*precedes \*my \*suspicion \*that he never existed. In other words, you started it. So there. > [@](#): > > If he never existed, then logically he can’t be that skinny, now can he? He wouldn’t possess any attributes. We are not in disagreement, so stop disagreeing with me. Otherwise I shall be forced to describe other famous characters of uncertain historicity, and nobody wants that. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/64 "2009-01-09T20:02:32Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Your observation, however, \*precedes \*my \*suspicion \*that he never existed. In other words, you started it. So there. I didn’t ‘start’ anything! Unless claiming that Jesus wasn’t a dessicated sideshow freak automatically demands the reply that he wasn’t not an historical dessicated sideshow freak! Which I believe was the point of **FriarTed** ’s remark, unless it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/65 "2009-01-09T20:08:28Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > I didn’t ‘start’ anything! Unless claiming that Jesus wasn’t a dessicated sideshow freak automatically demands the reply that he wasn’t not an historical dessicated sideshow freak! > > Which I believe was the point of **FriarTed** ’s remark, unless it wasn’t. As far as that goes, I agree that he wasn’t a dessicated sideshow freak, for reasons you so eloquently stated above. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/66 "2009-01-09T20:21:09Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > As far as that goes, I agree that he wasn’t a dessicated sideshow freak, for reasons you so eloquently stated above. Thank you. In return, I hereby refrain from describing the horrible secret of Robin Hood’s knees. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/67 "2009-01-09T21:44:16Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Thank you. In return, I hereby refrain from describing the horrible secret of Robin Hood’s knees. Whew! That was a close one. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/68 "2009-01-10T00:49:03Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > I’m sure it’s covered much more eloquently in the “Jesus gave up a weekend for my sins” thread, but there’s a difference when someone all-powerful who could escape suffering doesn’t for the sake of others. Yeah, the difference is that makes him an imbecile or into S&M. If he’s all-powerful, then there’s no need for anybody to suffer at all. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383/69 "2009-01-10T04:33:32Z")
[GD] As a non-Christian admirer of Jesus of Nazareth, looking in at Christianity from the outside as it were, I’ve always found the crucifixes (crucifixen? crucifices?) downright creepy. As in “An institutional religion did this, intentionally even if indirectly, to one of their own who preached forgiveness and charity and sharing and valuing the spirit more than the letter of the law… let this stand as a warning to anyone foolish enough to try it again!” [/GD] Mmm, I dunno if it’s less ‘honest’ to haul off the suffering corpse and replace it with the clean steel unoccupied instrument of torture or not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scary-anglican-crucifix-removed/480383.md?page=3)