# Scenes that completely ruined a film **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [April 30, 2025, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675 "2025-04-30T01:07:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/201 "2025-05-04T22:23:06Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > My problem is it didn’t feel like he’d earned it. He had a temper tantrum after Padme died, and then he was evil. Again, that’s a writing and acting problem. It could have been done well. You remember Anakin’s best moment in the trilogy? It’s after he’s fallen into the pits, and Obi-Wan does his “You were the Chosen one!” speech. He looks at Obi-Wan and shouts “I HATE YOU!”, and it’s the first and last time in two movies that Hayden emotes convincingly. Well, Steven Spielberg directed that scene. Spielberg, who has always been a terrific director of actors, especially children. There is another world - a much better world - where Steven Spielberg directed all three of the prequels (and insisted on rewrites before he started shooting). In that world, we’re not having this conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/202 "2025-05-04T22:27:14Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Have Vader hunt down the Jedi, but every fight is a toss-up. He wins, but he loses a bit every time. A hand here, an eye there, he gradually becomes “More machine than man”, until Obi-Wan leaves him near-broken, needing massive interventions just to survive. Just a series of disconnected action sequences, from the bad guy’s point of view? That doesn’t sound like a very fun movie. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/203 "2025-05-04T22:50:52Z")
It all comes down to the execution. Shows like “Rebels” and “Andor” have shown that “Bad guy hunts the good guys” can be very entertaining and popular. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/204 "2025-05-04T23:11:49Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Oh, and speaking of Vader and scenes that ruined movies, I just rewatched Rogue One. A great movie, but Vader making a dad joke about “choking on your ambitions” is just stupid. IIRC, it was a slightly cleverer _“choke on your aspirations.”_ ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/205 "2025-05-05T06:05:14Z")
I don’t understand why people don’t like that scene/line. I loved it. And yes, it was aspirations. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@salinqmind1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind1)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/206 "2025-05-05T13:35:36Z")
The almost silent 8 minute fight scene in ‘Torn Curtain’ that went on agonizingly long. It was kind of stomach churning to watch. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/207 "2025-05-05T13:54:51Z")
There’s a very long fight scene in **Rashomon** that is actually pretty amazing, in context. If you know anything about the film, you know that it shows the same events from multiple points of view, and how the teller’s interests and prejudices color their recollection (or at least their account). Told from the point of view of the Husband and the Thief, their fight was a model of heroic swordplay. But as told by the disinterested woodcutter, it’s a show of startlingly inept brawling with little swordplay, little finesse, and no honor. Both the Husband and the Thief come off pretty badly in his telling. So it’s an overlong, stomach-churning, bad fight scene. But it had a point. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/208 "2025-05-05T13:55:33Z")
> [@iamatractorboy](#): > > I don’t understand why people don’t like that scene/line. I loved it. And yes, it was aspirations Because Vader is supposed to be a bad ass. Not comic relief. People should be whimpering in fear when he lets them live long enough to walk away, not groaning at how bad a pun that was. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/209 "2025-05-05T14:24:41Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Not comic relief. People should be whimpering in fear when he lets them live long enough to walk away, not groaning at how bad a pun that was. Vader is also the guy with the funniest line in the Original Trilogy: “Apology accepted, Captain Needa.” Vader’s sense of humor is well-established. Be assured, though, that he doesn’t make jokes so that other people will laugh - he jokes solely to amuse himself. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/210 "2025-05-05T15:18:27Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Vader’s sense of humor is well-established. Be assured, though, that he doesn’t make jokes so that other people will laugh - he jokes solely to amuse himself. Anakin being edgesnarky about how lame others are and how he “pwned” them. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/211 "2025-05-05T16:22:07Z")
Caleb’s death in _The Witch_. I loved that movie, but in the main I thought it was far more sad than scary. This family just gets hit by disaster after disaster. Caleb’s death, however, seems to have come out of nowhere. What’s more, his final moments are … well, if he wasn’t a 12 year old boy I’d say [it looks like he’s in ecstasy](https://youtu.be/irqRWhKhlVg?si=nyxJoZozN6ucIx2E&t=66). And there’s a little glisten on the blanket where his johnson would be. I left the theater thinking that, for some reasons, the filmmakers threw in an allegory for male puberty, although to what end I couldn’t possibly say. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/212 "2025-05-05T16:31:28Z")
Luke, I am your father. Wanna hear a dad joke? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/213 "2025-05-05T16:40:17Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Well, Steven Spielberg directed that scene. And not coincidently Ewan McGregor did a fantastic job as younger Obi-Wan because he basically directed himself. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/214 "2025-05-05T16:59:54Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Vader’s sense of humor is well-established. And it’s an actual through-line with his characterization as Anakin. He was always a sarcastic, quippy swashbuckler type. He didn’t lose his sense of humor when he turned evil, it just got a lot darker. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/215 "2025-05-05T19:24:40Z")
Okay, I watched Life Of Brian again last night, and the flying saucer scene still just doesn’t work for me. It wouldn’t have been quite so out of place in Holy Grail (a much better film IMO) where anachronistic scenes are commonplace, but it’s the only such sequence in LOB. For the record I’ve loved the Pythons for over 50 years and jarring shifts in time/place/realities are fine by me, but context is everything and in my opinion LOB is the one Python universe where it didn’t belong. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/216 "2025-05-05T23:07:24Z")
The whole “NOOOOOOOOO)!” scene (complete with down on one knee, arms raised, pulling out) was just silly. The only thing missing was a “Dun-dun- DUUUN!” The overwhelming emotion should have been rage, both at palpy and himself. My reshoot involves Vader going in a force powered attack against the Emperor. He catches Palpatine somewhat by surprise and comes close to inflicting some serious damage. Once Palpy turns his full attention to Annie, however, he easily smacks his attacker down. “You have much to learn, my young apprentice,” he says, “But you are not ready for that lesson yet.” Roll credits. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/217 "2025-05-05T23:37:20Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > the guy with the funniest line in the Original Trilogy Uh, everything’s perfectly all right now. We’re fine. We’re all fine, here, now. Thank you. How are you? ---
**Author:** ![Galactus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galactus/32/3581_2.png) [@Galactus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galactus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/218 "2025-05-05T23:56:03Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > the guy with the funniest line in the Original Trilogy: I know. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/219 "2025-05-06T02:14:05Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Uh, everything’s perfectly all right now. We’re fine. We’re all fine, here, now. Thank you. How are you? I think “Slight weapons malfunction” just after they’ve shot up the place is funnier. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675/220 "2025-05-06T14:29:33Z")
I like the “Close the blast doors! Close the blast doors!” followed immediately by “OPEN the blast doors! Open the blast doors!” Alas, Lucas took that joke away. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-that-completely-ruined-a-film/1017675.md?page=12)