Scenes that completely ruined a film

How about this alternate interpretation - Tilde, as a Royal Princess and heir to the Swedish throne, was willing to have anal sex only, because she had to preserve her “virginity” for reasons of State. PiV was being saved for a potential dynastic match. Like the Loophole, but for monarchical reasons.

Ah, a technical virgin.

The more this scene gets discussed, the more it is ruining the film for me.

Honestly, it would have been a funny (if still offensive to some) joke if they had just left it at that exchange without having to hammer it home by showing the thing (beginning to) happen

None of the Die Hard films had plots that were anywhere close to airtight. But here every single NY state highway patrol officer on the relevant interstate (I-87) just idly sits by when a huge caravan of trucks goes rumbling by, after a terrorist incident in the Big City involving the federal reserve has been all over their radios for hours at that point, and none of them call it in to anyone. Annnnd it isn’t a short hop skip and jump to the Canadian border either, note.

The worst thing about the ending is how Simon holds his fire when he has John literally dead to rights, and instead smiles at him like he’s a long-lost friend. Even after John takes aim at the sign, Simon STILL doesn’t pull the trigger.

In any event in case you never heard of it, here is the alternate ending:

YES! Also the Disney Ride Barrel Rapids scene in The Hobbit. Ugh.

IIRC the Helms Deep skateboarding elf was less egregious as the one during The Battle of Minas Tirith. It was galling and definitely detracted from the scene but it didn’t ruin the movie. It’s been a while though so could be remembering it wrong.

The main problem I have with the helms deep in the film is how they introduced the elves as warriors, even though they weren’t in the book. Which I totally get, I think I’d have done the same thing. But then they made them suck, so they had their arse kicked by the orcs. But still not enough to ruin it for me.

I’d disagree. To me being faithful to the source is not about keeping the plot identical, but it’s about the “feel” of the novels and the kind of story Tolkien was telling and its mythos. Which is very much not your standard way of telling a story in Hollywood. And I think they did pretty damn good job of that, right up to the god-damned skate boarding elf.

Yeah the Hobbit movies were basically 90% skateboarding elves :frowning:

I agree with you on all of these points.

And this as well :frowning:

I’ve never minded this scene. For one thing, I get to hear Ray Charles sing. I suspect it was a way to get that song into the movie. And while the scene itself isn’t all that funny, it ends in a pretty funny way, perhaps because it is abrupt and knocks you right out of those happy, nostalgic thoughts.

Ehh, I disagree. The home movie scene established a really personal and heartfelt motive besides just being anal retentive. Without it, I don’t think his breakdown late makes as much sense or engenders as much sympathy.

Or make it about blowjobs and not anal and (here is the important part) make it funny. Freddy Got Fingered did a great job with that.

Speaking of Kingsmen, I remembered how bothered I was by the “you have to shoot your dog” scene. I know, it was a test, but the fact they expected you to actually shoot, intending to kill your dog, and not to realize it was a stupid test, really pissed me off. You know who else did that? (supposedly, the SS. I didn’t know at the time of the film it was probably apocryphal.) Plus the fact that he was wrong in their eyes for not shooting the dog!

So assuming it was me instead of Eggsy, I would have done more than just walk away, saying any group that had that for an entrance requirement isn’t one I want to belong to. I would have shot them all. Fucking nazis.

The problem is the other 10% had some parts that were really good, and really true to the original. The “An Unexpected Party” and the “Riddles in the Dark” sequences were excellent and almost pure Tolkien.

Being able to “measure forciness” was a big part of my problem with it. The Force shouldn’t be quantifiable like that. Star Wars’ niche was the combination of tech and mysticism, but when you quantify something, you take the mystery out of it. The way you tell if someone is strong in the Force is having some beardy hermit frown pensively before intoning, “This one is strong in the Force,” not taking a COVID test.

I’m the most casual of viewers and I found the skateboarding painful but the elf army quite awesome. Disciplined, deadly, beautiful. Like a lot of other creatures/characters/sets in the films: a greatly diminished power from long ago, barely able to withstand the forces of Evil.

I don’t mind it either and the scene isn’t too long, anyway.

Gandalf did nothing of the sort, And the prancing Pony was full of Men and a couple of Enemy Agents like Bill Ferny.

IMHO, the LOtR is the best full length adult book adaptation ever made. (Holes is great but that is a kids book). Many things work in print that dont work on the Silver Screen.

No, they didnt. Too many Star Wars fans are just haters, they hate anything but the first three released, and they arent sure about the third of those. Look, as a young fan, watching Star Wars (epi 6) roll across the screen was a life changing experience- which could not possibly happen again, especially as we had aged,

It was a bit too long, I admit.

That was in the first screening of the original, just that Solo outdrew Greebo.

Some weird Hollywood magic, since in long involved car chases (where neither is a cop) the Police seem to be all taking naps. Really a car chase with bullets flying thru a crowded city and not a single siren?

The elves were most certainly warriors in the Book. Just not in any scene where the fellowship was around. The War of the last Alliance is mentioned a few times- Frodo even sees some dead elf warriors in the Dead marshes. And in fact the elves did kick ass at Helms Deep in the film. LotR was clear that there were other battles against The Enemy going on- “off screen” so to speak.

Tru, but Legolas 'skate boarding" didnt bother me at all.

The first one- no so much. Jackson was forced to make The Hobbit into a trilogy, so some padding was necessary. And obviously the book version of the barrel ride was too boring to put into film- and it was kinda glossed over in the Book also.

Yep, and I liked that they showed the reason why Gandalf had to leave the dwarves- he was needed by the White Council to drive the Necromancer out.

Jackson’s Hobbit trilogy had a lot wrong with it, but there’s a good (and reasonably faithful) movie in it if you edit it down to just one film (maybe even two).

He was forced to make a trilogy, but nobody forced him to make each chapter of it three hours long. That was completely, 100% on him.

He could still be a shield skater! It could have been funny if he did some cool skate trick during down time in camp with the Hobbits and Fellows and everyone has a laugh when Gimli does something silly. Except Frodo, he’s off moping about some ring sadness, probably.