# Scenes were the good guy joins the bad guys when offered? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820 "2013-02-19T18:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/41 "2013-02-21T03:37:29Z")
In video games, Arthas agreed to join Ner’zhul in Warcraft 3. He spent a lot of time and effort to track down the source of the plague his people were suffering from. He started the quest noble and heroic, although rash. Over the course of his quest, he sacrificed little bits of his humanity until he finally encountered the source of the plague and ultimately became its champion. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/42 "2013-02-21T05:57:30Z")
If you’re going that route, in the first\*\* Infinity Blade \*\*the God King pauses during the last fight to give you the “join me” speech. In fact, I think most of the people you fight in the game are people that took him up on the offer. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/43 "2013-02-21T12:26:12Z")
> [@TV\_time](#): > > Boink is what he wanted to do to her. Bork is the guy George W. Bush wanted to put on the highest court of the land. Unless I am mistaken, Bork was nominated by Bush 41, George Herbert Walker Bush. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/44 "2013-02-21T12:40:35Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > •**Daffy Duck agreed to join Sinestro (much to the latter’s surprise), but that was on TV**. > > •Catherine Zeta-Jones…towards the end of _Oceans 12_—under certain definitions of “good” and “bad.” > > (Damn, that spoiler-box can be cumbersome.) … and Sinestro had a whole seduction speech ready, too. Duck Dodgers was a little too enthusiastic about getting in early to a New Galactic Order. (Remember, Daffy is the actor, Duck Dodgers is the character he was playing.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/46 "2013-02-21T13:19:19Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Unless I am mistaken, Bork was nominated by Bush 41, George Herbert Walker Bush. You’re mistaken; it was Reagan. ---
**Author:** ![MarcusF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/67e7ee/32.png) [@MarcusF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarcusF)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/47 "2013-02-21T13:37:37Z")
What about Bond in Goldfinger? I can’t remember if it is in the book or the film but, having been captured in Switzerland, doesn’t Bond pretend to go along with Goldfinger in the run up to the Fort Knox heist? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/48 "2013-02-21T14:18:16Z")
There is this old, old, old story about a malevolent trickster god who demands our hero, Abraham, sacrifice a son down on Highway 61 to prove his loyalty. At the last second, Abraham says to the god, “Look behind you!”, grabs the son and runs off saving the day. //I may be misremembering the last part - it was a long time ago//😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/49 "2013-02-21T14:56:24Z")
> [@MarcusF](#): > > What about Bond in Goldfinger? I can’t remember if it is in the book or the film but, having been captured in Switzerland, doesn’t Bond pretend to go along with Goldfinger in the run up to the Fort Knox heist? No. Goldfinger has him transported to Kentucky and he is held prisoner at Goldfinger’s ranch so that he can be displayed to the CIA that he is unharmed, preventing them from rushing in (and allowing them to run back to chow down on another bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken in the most blatant product placement until _Arrested Development_). Bond does “seduce” Pussy Galore into turning against Goldfinger by filling the gas canisters with an inert gas instead of the toxic nerve gas that Goldfinger gassed the gangsters with after spending fifteen minutes showing off his diorama of Fort Knox, so there is the counter-trope. However, I personally think that Pussy was less impressed by Bond’s sexual prowess than Goldfinger’s clear insanity and creepy letching, and just used the opportunity to get herself and the Flying Circus out of trouble. Meanwhile, Bond is knocked cold twice, gets both of the Masterson sisters killed, gets strapped to a table to receive a laser vasectomy, is captured or surprised on countless occasions starting with the pre-title scene (after he is warned not to go back to his hotel), crashes his Aston Martin despite all of the gadgets that Q branch spent tireless hours to build into it, and totally fails to disarm the bomb (done by an American technician by turning a switch). Bond’s only actual successes are blowing up the oil refinery, killing Oddjob (which was just fortuitous dumb luck), and beating Goldfinger at cheating at golf. He can’t even claim credit for taking out Goldfinger; that was the title character’s own stupidity in shooting out a window on his Learjet. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/50 "2013-02-21T15:53:42Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Unless I am mistaken, Bork was nominated by Bush 41, George Herbert Walker Bush. Nope, it was Reagan. After Bork was rejected, Reagan nominated Douglas Ginsburg, who had to withdraw when his use of marijuana became an issue. The job finally went to Anthony Kennedy, who thereby became (and remains) the most powerful man in America. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/51 "2013-02-21T16:13:46Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Nope, it was Reagan. After Bork was rejected, Reagan nominated Douglas Ginsburg, who had to withdraw when his use of marijuana became an issue. The job finally went to Anthony Kennedy, who thereby became (and remains) the most powerful man in America. Yeah, I shoulda googled it. But I knew it was back in the late 80s time frame, loooong before W. ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/52 "2013-02-21T16:25:30Z")
Hollywood Hogan joined the NWO on the WCW. Does that count, brother? ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/53 "2013-02-22T03:30:56Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > … and Sinestro had a whole seduction speech ready, too. Duck Dodgers was a little too enthusiastic about getting in early to a New Galactic Order. (Remember, Daffy is the actor, Duck Dodgers is the character he was playing.) Acknowledged, but to be fair… •It’s not terribly uncommon to refer to characters by their actors’ names, e.g. Schwarzenegger. •Can we honestly say that Daffy himself would have acted any differently in that situation? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/54 "2013-02-22T20:29:47Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > Hollywood Hogan joined the NWO on the WCW. Does that count, brother? Ehh.. not really since he wasn’t “offered” a position but was revealed to have been a secret member, but I think Macho Man and Luger joining would fall into this. IIRC both were considered faces at the time they joined. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/55 "2013-02-22T22:13:45Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Ehh.. not really since he wasn’t “offered” a position but was revealed to have been a secret member, but I think Macho Man and Luger joining would fall into this. IIRC both were considered faces at the time they joined. They weren’t joining to take it down or gather info on the bad guys, though, which I thought was an important part of the OP’s question. If it’s just good guys being offered spots in bad guy groups and accepting, pro wrestling is so full of it that it’s barely worth naming individual instances. Also, when Luger joined the nWo for the first time, it was the face nWo Wolfpac that he joined. He did remain when they later remerged with the heel nWo Hollywood, but he wasn’t turning back when he initially joined. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/56 "2013-02-23T02:39:17Z")
I think this chancellor guy offered Anakin Skywalker some kind of apprentice position, came with a title of Darth and everything. ---
**Author:** ![Renifer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Renifer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renifer)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820/57 "2013-02-24T01:10:08Z")
Buffy The Vampire Slayer. 2nd season, Angel loses his soul, shacks up with Spike and Dru. End of 2nd season, Buffy teams up with Spite to defeat Angelus. 3rd season, Faith, tired of being second fiddle to Buffy, joins the Mayor. (She redeems herself later in the series.) Mid 3rd season, Angel pretends to woo Faith to get information on the Mayor for Buffy. Then there’s season 6, where Willow ends up being the main villain. There’s a Simpson’s episode where someone’s trying to kill Homer and Sideshow Bob is chosen to help Homer find the killer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scenes-were-the-good-guy-joins-the-bad-guys-when-offered/650820.md?page=2)