# Schiavo autopsy released **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390 "2005-06-15T15:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/181 "2005-06-16T18:46:31Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Christ on a cracker. > > Frist IS 1. a member of the GOP and 2. a DOCTOR!!! What kind of doctor? And how long has it been since he actually practiced? Not that I can see any real excuse for the drivel that oozes like pustulent drool from him, but… ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/182 "2005-06-16T18:54:00Z")
I believe he was a surgeon. Dunno how long ago he practiced. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/183 "2005-06-16T19:05:18Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I believe he was a surgeon. Dunno how long ago he practiced. [From his senate website](http://frist.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutSenatorFrist.Biography): > [@](#): > > In 1978 he graduated with honors from Harvard Medical School and spent the next seven years in surgical training at Massachusetts General Hospital; Southampton General Hospital, Southampton, England; and Stanford University Medical Center. He is board certified in both general surgery and heart surgery. > > In 1985, Dr. Frist joined the faculty at Vanderbilt University Medical Center where he founded and subsequently directed the multi-disciplinary Vanderbilt Transplant Center, which under his leadership became a nationally renowned center of multi-organ transplantation. A heart and lung surgeon, he performed over 150 heart and lung transplant procedures, including the first successful combined heart-lung transplant in the Southeast. He was first elected to the Senate in 1994, but it does not say how long he continued practicing. Frist is no incompetent doctor, he is a disingenous politician pretending ignorance because it plays well with the “culture of living death” crowd. He knows full well the scientific basis of conclusions reached through an autopsy, but he doesn’t dare support them without looking like a fool. So he lies. ---
**Author:** ![Boldface\_Type](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5e925/32.png) [@Boldface\_Type](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boldface_Type)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/184 "2005-06-16T20:22:28Z")
> [@BJMoose](#): > > FWIW on the blindness issue: > > According to _Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the Mysteries of the Human Mind_ by V.S. Ramachandran, the optic nerves split and feed not only the visual cortex (where we “see” things) but also the motor area. > (…) > Now I have no idea what the situation was in Schiavo’s case, but it is at least possible that her eyes could track motion even if she couldn’t “see” a thing. We need more information to answer that question. Hm, I guess you missed the two posts in this thread where I already noted this? Of course, the fact she was empirically incapable of grasping anything (when alive), is probably sufficient information. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/185 "2005-06-16T22:21:48Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > From today’s paper, here’s Frist trying to wriggle out from under: > > “Pathology reports are just that - they’re looking at dead tissue.” Just out of curiosity, did Frist add, “We all know the only proper way to make a diagnosis is by watching a videotape”? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/186 "2005-06-16T23:09:08Z")
> [@comrade33](#): > > if anyone is up for a good laugh you should check out what sean hannity’s fans are saying about it on his website. its a big selfcongratulatory circle jerk (has there ever been a finer phrase coined?). they’re convinced that the evil scientists have either been paid off or are inept. one person stated “I mean, I read the internet and talk to a lot of people, surely I know just as much as people who went to school for 8 years, right?”. That forum is pure comedy. There’s one thread there postulating that Michael Shiavo is the actual anti-Christ. ---
**Author:** ![BJMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@BJMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BJMoose)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/187 "2005-06-17T00:49:07Z")
> [@Boldface Type](#): > > Hm, I guess you missed the two posts in this thread where I already noted this? > > Of course, the fact she was empirically incapable of grasping anything (when alive), is probably sufficient information. Oh, dearie-dear. You simply \*must \* forgive me for saying something supportive of your position. What was I thinking? ---
**Author:** ![biddee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@biddee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/biddee)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/188 "2005-06-17T01:32:52Z")
I’m sorry if I missed this elsewhere, but how much of her brain weight (or lack thereof) could be attributed to the dehydration which she died of? I would imagine that the massive dehydration that killed her would dehydrate her organs too and cause them to weigh a lot less than they would normally. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/189 "2005-06-17T02:20:23Z")
> [@biddee](#): > > I’m sorry if I missed this elsewhere, but how much of her brain weight (or lack thereof) could be attributed to the dehydration which she died of? I would imagine that the massive dehydration that killed her would dehydrate her organs too and cause them to weigh a lot less than they would normally. The major reduction in size of Terry Schiavo’s brain was due to atrophy, not dehydration. Following her severe brain injury due to anoxia (loss of oxygen) the brain atrophied (shrank) and the fluid-filled ventricles widened markedly (you can see this in the CT scan that has been posted on a number of sites online). The role of terminal dehydration in contributing to the lowered brain weight would have been relatively minimal. ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/190 "2005-06-17T02:48:20Z")
I hear tell the real reason she fell ill was she had been left in the car in the summer with the windows closed. don’t hit me… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/191 "2005-06-17T03:19:06Z")
Naw, **Egg** , we’ll just make you your **Bosda’s** keeper. ---
**Author:** ![widdleytinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a4c791/32.png) [@widdleytinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/widdleytinks)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/192 "2005-06-17T05:02:45Z")
Anyone care to take a shot at armchair analysis of the parents psychopathology? It has to be clear to anyone reading the Schindler’s comments (via attorney) regarding the autopsy report that this was never about “love”. Does it occur to anyone else that Terri Schiavo was raised by egoistic controlling shitheads who attempted to control their daughter’s coming and going even up until and including, the day she died and that their treatment of Terri contributed to her need to gain control which was expressed in her developing an eating disorder? Any takers? regards, widdley ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/193 "2005-06-17T05:08:04Z")
> [@widdleytinks](#): > > Does it occur to anyone else that Terri Schiavo was raised by egoistic controlling shitheads who attempted to control their daughter’s coming and going even up until and including, the day she died and that their treatment of Terri contributed to her need to gain control which was expressed in her developing an eating disorder? It’s crossed my mind. I’ve tried to convince myself that it is not so, that they are merely acting out of what they perceive to be Mrs. Schiavo’s best wishes. I’ve failed. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/194 "2005-06-17T05:12:34Z")
> [@widdleytinks](#): > > Does it occur to anyone else that Terri Schiavo was raised by egoistic controlling shitheads who attempted to control their daughter’s coming and going even up until and including, the day she died and that their treatment of Terri contributed to her need to gain control which was expressed in her developing an eating disorder? > > Any takers? :: raises hand :: It makes a great deal of sense. And, of course, everything they’ve done has been for her own good. ---
**Author:** ![widdleytinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a4c791/32.png) [@widdleytinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/widdleytinks)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/195 "2005-06-17T05:17:54Z")
Were the Schindlers rational Were the Schindlers honest Were the Schindlers sincere Were the Schindlers faithful God believers Don’t you think they would have issued a public apology to MS? I just finished reading their statement posted on [Terrisfight.org](http://Terrisfight.org). It nauseated me. It contained The same distortions The same denials The same implied threat of lawsuit (against whom?) SSDD. Makes me sick. regards, widdley ---
**Author:** ![Liz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/liz/32/17737_2.png) [@Liz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liz)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/196 "2005-06-17T05:28:59Z")
> [@widdleytinks](#): > > Anyone care to take a shot at armchair analysis of the parents psychopathology? It has to be clear to anyone reading the Schindler’s comments (via attorney) regarding the autopsy report that this was never about “love”. > > Does it occur to anyone else that Terri Schiavo was raised by egoistic controlling shitheads who attempted to control their daughter’s coming and going even up until and including, the day she died and that their treatment of Terri contributed to her need to gain control which was expressed in her developing an eating disorder? > > Any takers? > > regards, > widdley I’ll take. That was my wife’s first idea [she’s a therapist who sees a good deal of girls and women with EDs] when all of this first started appearing in the news – they were tearing Mike Schiavo apart at the seams, but no one mentioned the fact that girls/women with eating disorders tend to have brothers/fathers who help set that in place with extreme criticism of their weight and looks. The mothers of these girls also focus heavily on their physical attractiveness, in order that they will “snag a good husband”, etc. Does anyone else remember Schiavo’s brother saying something along the lines of “When it’s all said and done, the world will know what kind of man Bob Schindler is”? I always rather wondered if he was perhaps alluding to some of the ideas that **widdleytinks** brought up. ---
**Author:** ![widdleytinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a4c791/32.png) [@widdleytinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/widdleytinks)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/197 "2005-06-17T05:37:51Z")
I do seem to recall that statement. Did you also pick up on the fact that after Terri and Michael were married and moved to Florida, that the Schindler’s moved to Florida to “be with Terri”? Does that seem slightly odd to you? Ask your wife! regards, widdley ---
**Author:** ![comrade33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@comrade33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/comrade33)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/198 "2005-06-17T05:40:53Z")
> [@Good Egg](#): > > I hear tell the real reason she fell ill was she had been left in the car in the summer with the windows closed. > > don’t hit me… i’d like to take this opportunity to express my love for this entire website and give egg the beating he deserves for having a sense of humor. good egg indeed! how dare you make me laugh when the poor woman was murdered by the antichrist himself?! ---
**Author:** ![Liz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/liz/32/17737_2.png) [@Liz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liz)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/199 "2005-06-17T05:47:46Z")
Here it is [gleaned from that effing FOX News, but it was the first Google hit]: > [@](#): > > As he monitored TV news reports from the kitchen of his small house in the Philadelphia suburbs, Scott Schiavo received a stream of calls Thursday from people denouncing him and his brother. On his answering machine was a lengthy message from a man from Texas who, shouting obscenities, called the Schiavo family murderers. > > “This isn’t over by a long shot. We’re going to get our name right,” he said. “The world is going to know who Mike was, they’re going to know Mike wasn’t a beast. … We’re going to clear his name, **and point it right back at the Schindlers, to let people know just who Bob Schindler is, what type of person he is**.” [Linky link, even though I hate giving the spin-master bastards credit.](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152118,00.html) Bolding mine, of course. I’m rather glad Scott didn’t [or Mike didn’t allow Scott to] expose all, as it would simply lower them to the standards of… well… other people, and put Terri’s uber-personal business on display for the world. And, no, I didn’t know that the Schindler’s moved to Florida BEFORE Terri’s illness – I always thought it was after. That seems very strange to me – what parents pick up and follow their newly wed daughter and her husband? Perhaps overly controlling and emotionally suffocating ones? It’s certainly an idea. And I shall ask the missus in the morning and report back. I’d ask now, but I’m likely to receive some brain damage myself if I wake her to discuss the Schiavo case! ---
**Author:** ![widdleytinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a4c791/32.png) [@widdleytinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/widdleytinks)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/200 "2005-06-17T05:50:57Z")
a report I read during the media mess, they moved to Florida not long after Terri and Michael were married. regards, widdley [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390.md?page=11)