# Schiavo autopsy released **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390 "2005-06-15T15:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![widdleytinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a4c791/32.png) [@widdleytinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/widdleytinks)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/201 "2005-06-17T06:02:07Z")
I retract that statement. I just did a search and the information says they moved together to Florida. I was certain it was a case where the Schindler’s moved after the Schiavo’s. Apparently I was wrong. regards, widdley ---
**Author:** ![Liz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/liz/32/17737_2.png) [@Liz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liz)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/202 "2005-06-17T06:27:38Z")
You weren’t necessarily wrong – a search of my own shows several different timelines, some suggesting the Schindlers moved first, some saying the Schiavos did, some stating that they all moved together. No biggie. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![biddee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@biddee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/biddee)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/203 "2005-06-17T12:58:57Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The major reduction in size of Terry Schiavo’s brain was due to atrophy, not dehydration. > > Following her severe brain injury due to anoxia (loss of oxygen) the brain atrophied (shrank) and the fluid-filled ventricles widened markedly (you can see this in the CT scan that has been posted on a number of sites online). The role of terminal dehydration in contributing to the lowered brain weight would have been relatively minimal. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/204 "2005-06-17T15:46:23Z")
My hope: the Schiavo’s try and launch a case against MS, and an astute DA charges them with perjury for the statements they made while under oath in the settlement case. The Schiavos then backpedal to avoid conviction, and admit that MS actually was a loving husband who was in no way to blame for his wife’s collapse. Anyone with me? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/205 "2005-06-17T16:16:14Z")
At least Jeb Bush, that tireless defender of justice, is demanding an investigation into the charges of abuse against Mr. Schiavo. It’s like that show, **Cold Case** , only stupider. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/206 "2005-06-17T16:24:07Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > It’s like that show, **Cold Case** , only stupider. I’m trying to imagine this… ---
**Author:** ![comrade33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@comrade33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/comrade33)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/207 "2005-06-17T16:25:28Z")
it would be nice, but not likely. we’re dealing with hardheaded americans here, they never backpedal. besides, i think they must now know that they were wrong the whole time and the sensible american thing to do would be to continue their slanderous lies and stay as far away from the courtroom. you’d be more likely to hear them on that show where dick cheney puts his hand up the guys ass and makes him talk than to see them in a courtroom where they might be proven wrong with pesky little _facts_… what was that show called again? sean hannity i think. ripping good laugh. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/208 "2005-06-17T16:26:18Z")
How about “Cold Case,” but with better hair? ---
**Author:** ![comrade33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@comrade33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/comrade33)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/209 "2005-06-17T16:28:00Z")
umm i got distracted by [this](http://www.venganza.org/) and meant to type “as possible.” after the word courtroom. if you read it i think you’ll understand. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/210 "2005-06-17T16:46:12Z")
> [@widdleytinks](#): > > Anyone care to take a shot at armchair analysis of the parents psychopathology? It has to be clear to anyone reading the Schindler’s comments (via attorney) regarding the autopsy report that this was never about “love”. > > Does it occur to anyone else that Terri Schiavo was raised by egoistic controlling shitheads who attempted to control their daughter’s coming and going even up until and including, the day she died and that their treatment of Terri contributed to her need to gain control which was expressed in her developing an eating disorder? > > Any takers? > > regards, > widdley In my profoundly non-professional opinion, it sounds like they’ve got something similar to Munchausen-by-proxy syndrome. At this point, I think they feeding off the attention and the pity generated by their daughter’s condition, and have done everything in their power to keep her alive, and thereby further the attention they’ve received. Now that she’s dead, they’re probably going to keep after Michael for the same reason. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/211 "2005-06-17T16:46:50Z")
> [@comrade33](#): > > it would be nice, but not likely. we’re dealing with hardheaded americans here, they never backpedal. besides, i think they must now know that they were wrong the whole time and the sensible american thing to do would be to continue their slanderous lies and stay as far away from the courtroom. you’d be more likely to hear them on that show where dick cheney puts his hand up the guys ass and makes him talk than to see them in a courtroom where they might be proven wrong with pesky little _facts_… what was that show called again? sean hannity i think. ripping good laugh. Yeah… all Americans are like that. We’re all JUST LIKE Sean Hannity. When we’re not dressing up as Ann Coulter. _Asshole_. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/212 "2005-06-17T18:02:33Z")
Man look at this asshole… **Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse** [http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/schiavo.governor.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/schiavo.governor.ap/index.html) > [@](#): > > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) – Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. What a meddling asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/213 "2005-06-17T18:06:36Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Man look at this asshole… > > **Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse** > > [http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/schiavo.governor.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/schiavo.governor.ap/index.html) > > What a meddling asshole. [Fuck you Jeb Bush](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=321602) ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/214 "2005-06-17T18:07:36Z")
**Miller** --I think you’re on to something with the Munchausen’s. Sick sick sick. ---
**Author:** ![comrade33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@comrade33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/comrade33)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/215 "2005-06-17T18:15:02Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > Yeah… all Americans are like that. > > We’re all JUST LIKE Sean Hannity. When we’re not dressing up as Ann Coulter. > > _Asshole_. i AM an american. sorry for the misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/216 "2005-06-17T18:20:00Z")
A medical question or two: I’ll admit to being curious about the delay between her collapse and his 911 call. Was he doing CPR and didn’t dare stop? (I assume so because her body kept running so long–there’s no way anybody but Herbert West or Dr Frankenstein could’ve restarted a heart stopped for an hour.) Running around panicking? Shopping for a new girlfriend? And what good could the EMTs have done? Could they have gotten there soon enough, assuming an immediate call, to save her brain? When someone’s heart has stopped because of an electrolyte imbalance how hard is it to restart it? But these were questions the DA should have, and I assume did, ask in 1990. They aren’t for Jeb Grissom to ask now. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/217 "2005-06-17T18:54:00Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > A medical question or two: > > I’ll admit to being curious about the delay between her collapse and his 911 call. . in the article on CNN already linked before -just after the autopsy results were made public, seconds later the Schindler mouthpiece talked about the ‘delay’, MS’s attorney said “there was no delay, testimony in the trial said she collapsed, he ran and dialed 911”. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/218 "2005-06-17T19:13:37Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > [Fuck you Jeb Bush](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=321602) Thanks. I noticed that on the front page right after I posted. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/219 "2005-06-17T19:53:39Z")
> [@wring](#): > > in the article on CNN already linked before -just after the autopsy results were made public, seconds later the Schindler mouthpiece talked about the ‘delay’, MS’s attorney said “there was no delay, testimony in the trial said she collapsed, he ran and dialed 911”. Actually, that link had one mouthpiece saying one thing and the other saying something different. What is the actual chain of events? I’m having a devil of a time tracking it down so if anybody has a link I’d appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/220 "2005-06-17T21:10:29Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Actually, that link had one mouthpiece saying one thing and the other saying something different. What is the actual chain of events? I’m having a devil of a time tracking it down so if anybody has a link I’d appreciate it. that link had Schindler’s mouthpiece saying 70 minutes had gone by according to the testimony. according to the CNN story today w/the Jeb fucking BUsh letter, in court testimony Schiavo says she collapsed at 5, call was logged in at 5:40, that years later in a TV interview, he stated she’d collapsed at 4:30. But. In any event, the issue was that her heart stopped and her brain was deprived of oxygen. It certainly wasn’t deprived for 40 minutes or 70 minutes. And keep in mind that the Schindlers testified in court that Schiavo was a loving husband. The abuse allegations only came **after** the court case was won. Period. at that point, the Schindlers started claiming that he’d been abusive, assaultive to Terri. Had they believed this at the time of her collapse, why would they have not immediately contacted the police to launch an investigation then? The only answer to that, that I can see, is that “at that time, they didn’t believe he was an abusive husband, did not at all believe that he had anything to do with her collapse”. what changed after the court case was won? there was money involved. By that time, Michael had been tending carefully to his wife for quite some time. But now, the Schindlers were claiming that he’d been so abusive to her that he caused her collapse. again, what possible explanation for their change? Michael claims that after the settlement, the Schindlers demanded half the money and he refused, hence the claims of abuse. all I can figure is that they did \*\*not \*\* raise the claim that he was abusive and responsible for her collapse at the time of the collapse. 1. they either did not have reason to believe he was abusive, responsible for her collapse at that time or 2. THey had reason to believe he was abusinve and responsible for her collapse at that time. (I reject the ‘they weren’t sure’ since if there was any suspicion, why would you allow that person to remain in charge of your daughter’s care, leave her alone w/him etc?) If #1 is true, the only time they started saying she was abused was after there was $$ involved. then why make these false claims if not to get the $$ (which has been used for her care through the years). IF #2 is true, they conspired with Michael, lied to the courts for the $$. I can’t think of any rational explanation for their change in claims - other than $$. I can’t think that loving parents who wished the best for their daughter would have reason to believe she’d been abused and put into that state by her husband, not tell the police so it could be investigated, stand by him for years, have him live in their home, testify on his behalf etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390.md?page=12)