# Schiavo autopsy released **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390 "2005-06-15T15:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/141 "2005-06-16T05:14:45Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > Well, you’re the only one I can remember. Now why are you obsessing about me? > > Besides, from your first post in this thread you started with the whole “culture of life assholes” thing, so I don’t think you’re on the high moral ground either. > > Oh well. Looks like I have some more reading to do. Looks like you need to LEARN how to read. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/142 "2005-06-16T05:17:44Z")
That’s because you’re ignoring everyone else, Mehitabel, darling… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/143 "2005-06-16T05:44:17Z")
She must be feeling lonely, **GaWd** , now that she doesn’t have **Aldebaran** to haunt any more. I guess **Mockingbird** must be her new idee fixe. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/144 "2005-06-16T05:49:50Z")
Hey, no fair, you know I can’t reply to that! **ETF** , you know better than to prod someone like that, shame on you. Fine, fine. I was wrong, mea culpa, I’m outta here. But if you don’t want strong reactions than don’t start a news thread IN THE PIT! ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/145 "2005-06-16T05:54:48Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > She must be feeling lonely, **GaWd** , now that she doesn’t have **Aldebaran** to haunt any more. I guess **Mockingbird** must be her new idee fixe. I think that the glorious and talented chanteuse Kylie Minogue said it best when she sang: “_I should be so lucky… lucky, lucky, lucky…_” ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/146 "2005-06-16T06:45:53Z")
> [@Lamar Mundane](#): > > That’s nothing. Read [this](http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/15/140643.shtml) from Newsmax, under the headline **“Facts Show Shiavo Was Not Blind”**. > Huh? Am I missing something, or do the people who get news from that site only read the headlines? Oh, wait, never mind. From that “report” > [@](#): > > This in the face of medical reports that showed Terri had suffered bone and other injuries sometime prior to her collapse. Really? You mean Terri USED her body and made a few dents in it. No Way! If I were to topple over right now and fall into a coma or vegi-like state, my medical report would say the same thing. I haven’t lived my life inside a giant fucking pillow. Man, who are those wacks? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/147 "2005-06-16T07:13:55Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Hashes over the issues you’ve brought up, has links to explanations of various aspects, and as an extra added bonus has **lekatt** as… Well, as **lekatt**. 😃 This must be some new definition of the word “bonus.” I think you mean “bonehead.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Exploding\_Kitchen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Exploding\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exploding_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/148 "2005-06-16T08:14:07Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > Yep, married men who have two children with other women are fine upstanding citizens. He didn’t divorce her because he wanted the settlement money. Deal with it. Terri’s parents are the ones that convinced him to start seeing someone in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/149 "2005-06-16T09:48:28Z")
**Mehitabel** , since you haven’t followed the case, let me lay out a few basic facts. [ul][li]At the time of Ms. Schiavo’s collapse, she was undergoing fertility treatments to try and have a baby.[/li][li]The reason Mr. Schiavo sued for malpractice was because the doctor treating his wife for infertility failed to detect her bulimia.[/li][li]For a few years after Ms. Schiavo’s collapse, not only were Michael Schiavo and her parents on good terms, he lived with them for a while.[/li][li]During that time, Ms. Schiavo’s parents _encouraged_ Mr. Schiavo to date other people.[/li][li]The feud between Mr. Schiavo and the Schindlers started when he refused to give them half of the malpractice settlement he received because he preferred to use it for Ms. Schiavo’s care. The Schindler’s claim he promised to give them half of the money; I gather Mr. Schiavo disputes this claim.[/li][li]The courts repeatedly determined that Ms. Schiavo told several people, including her friends, that she didn’t want extraordinary measures taken. One reason for this was what she saw while her grandmother was dying.[/ul][/li] To me, there’s one particularly damning point on that list: the relationship between Mr. Schiavo and the Schindlers turned bad after he refused to give them money from the malpractice settlement because he wanted to use that money for his wife’s care, which he did. That money is long gone. There’s also the slight matter of her parents encouraging him to date other people. Yes, I know the Bible condemns adultery. I also know it condemns gossip, malice, and slander, and bearing false witness is right up there with commiting adultery in the 10 Commandments. Jesus, Himself condemns such things as well as adultery in Matthew 15:16-19 (emphasis mine): > [@Jesus Christ](#): > > “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. "Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come **evil thoughts** , murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, **false testimony, slander**. The Schindlers have indulged in gossip, malice, slander, and false testimony, so why are you so quick to condemn Mr. Schiavo for so-called adultery which occurred several years after his wife’s mind ceased to function and, I sincerely hope, her soul left her body, yet overlook the Schindlers’ offenses? I’ve seen a very dear friend’s marriage destroyed by gossip, malice, and slander; it’s been a horrible thing to see him go through. Still, you seem to be giving the Schindlers a free pass. Look, I do sympathize with the Schindlers and I really find adultery offensive. It must have been incredibly hard on them to see their little girl in such a horrible fate and hope is a horribly tempting thing to hold on to. I also saw photos of Ms. Schiavo before her collapse and listened to interviews with childhood friends of hers, one of whom talked about a call she got from her when she first met Mr. Schiavo. She was crazy about him. I’m over 40 and I don’t have a living will; I can easily see why a young woman in her 20’s who was trying to have a baby wouldn’t have one. Twenty years ago, Terri Schiavo was a bright, happy, lively young woman who loved her parents and her husband. She deserved better than to be turned into a rope in a tug-of-war, which is what she became. I sympathize with her parents and I feel sorry for them. That doesn’t make what they did to her, however, well intentioned, and her husband (I can’t see any good intentions behind that) any less wrong. Respectfully, CJ ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/150 "2005-06-16T11:48:46Z")
Michael also wanted children fifteen years ago. I don’t know the age of his children’s mother (I do recall that she is out of her 20s), but with the way this thing dragged out, after already having gone through infertility, he was probably very aware that a woman’s fertility doesn’t last forever. For some people having biological children is very important, and perhaps he felt he couldn’t afford to wait. He probably felt certain this would have all been over years ago. Certainly he was winning court cases years ago to have it over. And that assumes they made a choice to have children together at that point in time. If its OK he wasn’t celebate, then there was a chance he’d end up fathering a child. I think the “culture of life” would prefer a conceived child not be aborted simply because its conception was “inconvienient.” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/151 "2005-06-16T12:12:45Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > … the GOP in the House and Senate didn’t give a shit about her (even though they kept calling her “Terri”, as if they were close friends of the family). They had to call her Terri; had they called her Mrs. Schiavo it would have implied that there was a husband out there who might have some valid say in what was going on. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/152 "2005-06-16T12:18:16Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > But if you don’t want strong reactions than don’t start a news thread IN THE PIT! As a Schiavo thread veteran, I expected strong reactions. Call me naive, but what I didn’t expect was to find people still hauling out the same baseless canards. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/153 "2005-06-16T12:22:30Z")
> [@](#): > > **Mehitabel** said: > Well, you’re the only one I can remember. He’s not the only one who did. I called you on your self-contradicting slanderous bullshit on page one. You got a hardon for **Mockingbird**? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/154 "2005-06-16T12:29:48Z")
I rarely take part in these Schiavo discussions, mostly because it’s pretty obvious what happened, to me anyway. I just wanted to point out once again: Parents do NOT know everything that’s good for you. I’d \*never \* want my parents to make such a decision for me, and we’re starting to get along again. Why do people think parents, whom you didn’t choose, \*\*always \*\*\* know more than your husband, whom you did choose? \*Note: Yeah, sometimes the parents know better. Ok, I’m outta here. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/155 "2005-06-16T12:52:55Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Michael also wanted children fifteen years ago. I don’t know the age of his children’s mother (I do recall that she is out of her 20s), but with the way this thing dragged out, after already having gone through infertility, he was probably very aware that a woman’s fertility doesn’t last forever. For some people having biological children is very important, and perhaps he felt he couldn’t afford to wait. > > He probably felt certain this would have all been over years ago. Certainly he was winning court cases years ago to have it over. > > And that assumes they made a choice to have children together at that point in time. If its OK he wasn’t celebate, then there was a chance he’d end up fathering a child. I think the “culture of life” would prefer a conceived child not be aborted simply because its conception was “inconvienient.” Fair enough. It’s not something I feel very strongly about, it’s just my personal opinion that it might have been better not to have children during the mess. However, Michael didn’t feel that way, and that’s fine. ---
**Author:** ![look\_ninjas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/156 "2005-06-16T13:54:34Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > As a Schiavo thread veteran, I expected strong reactions. Call me naive, but what I didn’t expect was to find people still hauling out the same baseless canards. Neither did I. In retrospect, we probably should have, huh? Seriously, people, why must we make someone into the bad guy? Why can’t we just accept that life is unfair and that people have to make impossible choices that we don’t always understand? All Michael Schiavo wanted to do was carry out his wife’s wishes, despite the fact that her parents dragged the case into the courts and in front of the cameras and basely slandered him in front of the entire world. Maybe you don’t agree with his decision, but that doesn’t make him some sort of evil wife-beating murderer. Get your fingers out of your ears, take the blindfold off your eyes, and learn the fucking facts before you go accusing people. That a strong enough reaction for you, **Mehitabel**? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/157 "2005-06-16T14:04:14Z")
> [@look!ninjas](#): > > Get your fingers out of your ears, take the blindfold off your eyes, and learn the fucking facts before you go accusing people. > > That a strong enough reaction for you, **Mehitabel**? or at bare minimum, don’t proudly state that you ‘haven’t really read a lot’ about the case before spewing forth your accusations, then when (again) called on it give a fucking weasling non appology like “ **if** I said something untrue”. and then of course, go on to suggest that only one person had an issue w/you. crap - your little bon mot was (I think) the most often quoted (and rebuked, rebutted and reviled) statement in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/158 "2005-06-16T14:25:32Z")
Yeah… I’m definitely the _only_ one who thinks you’re a dishonest poster, Mehitabel. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/159 "2005-06-16T14:30:22Z")
Thanks for the facts, **Siege.** I had colleagues saying otherwise, and it’s good to know they were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/160 "2005-06-16T14:36:14Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > but this is a topic where there are many well informed people–sadly, the media and many of our elected reps are not as well informed. In fact, one might call them willfully ignorant and wanting to stir shit, but that’s another thread. That is being too generous to the self serving hypocritical bastards. They started a circus, for the purpose of grabing the limelight and getting ratings/votes/whatever. I would theorize that at least some of them DID know, but didn’t care as long as they could use it. (talking points memos? “emergency” flights back to Washington? remote diagnosis via TV monitor?). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390.md?page=9)