# Schiavo autopsy released **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390 "2005-06-15T15:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/161 "2005-06-16T14:37:22Z")
\*\* Mehitabel\*\* are you saying this is the first time you’ve been made aware of those facts, that Siege pointed out? Because I tell you now. those facts have been listed over and over again in the various Terri threads. I don’t know if you were apart of any previous threads; and if you weren’t so be it…but I find it hard to believe that anyone who was, didn’t see those facts. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/162 "2005-06-16T14:41:05Z")
Sorry about your disbelief, but it’s true. Now, I’ll get out of here for good so you all can get back on topic. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/163 "2005-06-16T15:05:53Z")
Steve, The politicians didn’t do it without begging and pleading from the Schindlers. In fact, I’d say Washington was even less of a willing participant than were the Schindlers. They were called, harassed, harangued, and finally took the case up as if they gave a shit. A colleague of my mom’s was apparently convinced that the poor, poor Schindler’s were being “used” by DeLay and Frist, those poor, poor people! Pawns of the Republican congress! I call bullshit. Congress didn’t want any part of this for fear of the backlash, but as soon as they tested the waters and moved forward, there was no way out for them. Sam ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/164 "2005-06-16T16:17:25Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That is being too generous to the self serving hypocritical bastards. They started a circus, for the purpose of grabing the limelight and getting ratings/votes/whatever. I would theorize that at least some of them DID know, but didn’t care as long as they could use it. (talking points memos? “emergency” flights back to Washington? remote diagnosis via TV monitor?). And even now that the autopsy report is out and there is no possible shred of an excuse for spreading nonsense, Bill Frist is still doing it. From today’s paper, here’s Frist trying to wriggle out from under: “Pathology reports are just that - they’re looking at dead tissue.” So Bill, even though it’s been demonstrated that Schiavo’s brain was tremendously shrunken and atrophic, that she was blind, and could not have recovered brain function, you still are clinging to your line of bullshit? Are you saying that because it has revealed your shabby attempt at self-aggrandizement, forensic pathology is not believable? Will you now be counseling patients to ignore their pathology reports showing a malignant tumor, because it’s just analysis of “dead tissue”? The GOP had better get cracking finding some decent candidates for '08, because it’s going to be too embarassing for any self-respecting sentient human to vote for Frist. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/165 "2005-06-16T16:21:05Z")
> [@](#): > > “Pathology reports are just that - they’re looking at dead tissue.” Is this some kind of weird GOP doctor koan? Should we look at LIVE tissue from the brain, Dr? How about we start with you? Or…another thought: maybe he wanted the ME to do the exam via altered video like he himself did. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/166 "2005-06-16T16:22:05Z")
I’m waiting for [Philip](http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10710F6385C0C7B8CDDAF0894DD404482)A. Cooney to get a hold of the pathology report before I read it. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/167 "2005-06-16T16:32:27Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > Sorry about your disbelief, but it’s true. Now, I’ll get out of here for good so you all can get back on topic. 😃 Oh, promises, promises. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![litost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@litost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/litost)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/168 "2005-06-16T16:53:09Z")
> [@holmes](#): > > \*\* Mehitabel\*\* are you saying this is the first time you’ve been made aware of those facts, that Siege pointed out? Because I tell you now. those facts have been listed over and over again in the various Terri threads. > > I don’t know if you were apart of any previous threads; and if you weren’t so be it…but I find it hard to believe that anyone who was, didn’t see those facts. She did say this in an earlier thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6194830&postcount=14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6194830&postcount=14) > [@Mehitabel](#): > > Let’s see if we can go a little further in the thread before the usual suspects start with the stereotypes, please? > > It does worry me that a woman’s wishes can be relayed by a husband over whom allegations of abuse were unresolved and who acquired a mistress and two children without divorcing his wife, but at the same time I think that Terri was gone 15 years ago and she herself was NOT a typical case to hang all these issues on. I have a mother who has epilepsy and head injuries and am quite interested in the rights of the disabled, but from what I saw Terri was effectively dead. > > I don’t see how we can decide about this until we see the autopsy anyway. I guess she didn’t read the whole thread to figure out how mis-informed she was. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/169 "2005-06-16T16:59:15Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > Steve, The politicians didn’t do it without begging and pleading from the Schindlers. In fact, I’d say Washington was even less of a willing participant than were the Schindlers. They were called, harassed, harangued, and finally took the case up as if they gave a shit. > > A colleague of my mom’s was apparently convinced that the poor, poor Schindler’s were being “used” by DeLay and Frist, those poor, poor people! Pawns of the Republican congress! > > I call bullshit. Congress didn’t want any part of this for fear of the backlash, but as soon as they tested the waters and moved forward, there was no way out for them. > > Sam Jeb Bush had been involved for several years. The Congress critters and president saw it as a way to make political hay and give a nod to their more radical right constituents. They saw it as a way to demand judge activism, after years of screaming against judge activism. The only thing they didn’t expect was the backlash. They were using Terri. If they were oh so unwilling, they could have stayed out of it. I call bullshit on your call of bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/170 "2005-06-16T17:02:24Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > It would have involved killing an awful lot of people. I’m sure there probably would have been a downside. “Get rid of all the engineers, everybody dies. Get rid of all the politicians, everybody’s happy.” R. Buckminster Fuller. When you factor in the brain dead talking heads that you’ve got whack as well, I’m thinking we’re pretty firmly in the win column here, but I might be mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/171 "2005-06-16T17:04:02Z")
stop it - you’re both right. Both the political hangers on **and** the parents are scum sucking twits. and for good measure, you can toss in the religious fanatics as well, converging on the hospice, making it difficult to impossible for the relatives of patients there to get in to see their loved ones. yes, indeed, only this poor shell of a woman mattered. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/172 "2005-06-16T17:04:21Z")
And I call bullshit on your call of bullshit on my call of bullsh…uhh. Whatever. Fact remains that the Schindlers begged for them to be as involved as they were and got off when the GOP Et al, became involved. Used my ass. Sam ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/173 "2005-06-16T17:12:09Z")
Here are some cites to verify (yet again) what you and the rest of us already said, ad nauseum. [http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=202](http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=202) [http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Schiavo/s...d=595905&page=2](http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Schiavo/s...d=595905&page=2) [http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Schiavo/story?id=600937](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Schiavo/story?id=600937) [http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ar](http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ar)…\_2005\_03\_13.php ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/174 "2005-06-16T17:14:35Z")
A minor quibble between you and I, Steve. I’m simply tired of hearing people paint the Schindler’s as unwilling participants and “victims” of the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/175 "2005-06-16T17:18:17Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > A minor quibble between you and I, Steve. I’m simply tired of hearing people paint the Schindler’s as unwilling participants and “victims” of the GOP. No quibble at all then. Both the politicians and the Schindlers were using each other. The Schindlers were the most guilty of all. The rest were just the vultures who tried to cash in. I wonder how many people were vastly upset that the CAT scan or autopsy (whatever) failed to show any broken bones, crushed windpipes or other signs of foul play. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/176 "2005-06-16T17:26:38Z")
I know there are many, many people who were and still are looking for those signs of abuse. How many people will invent excuses/conspiracies as to why they didn’t find signs of abuse? The whole thing is fucking surreal. Sam ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/177 "2005-06-16T17:35:34Z")
I find it telling that less than an hour after the live report of the autopsy result the Schindler’s lawyer was already tossing further acusations at Michael Sciavo. There would not have been time for their medical “experts” to review and discuss these findings and for them to even come up with a plan. S o it looks like they had planned to continue making accusations all along, no matter what the autopsy results showed. ---
**Author:** ![comrade33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@comrade33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/comrade33)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/178 "2005-06-16T18:23:04Z")
if anyone is up for a good laugh you should check out what sean hannity’s fans are saying about it on his website. its a big selfcongratulatory circle jerk (has there ever been a finer phrase coined?). they’re convinced that the evil scientists have either been paid off or are inept. one person stated “I mean, I read the internet and talk to a lot of people, surely I know just as much as people who went to school for 8 years, right?”. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/179 "2005-06-16T18:36:00Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Is this some kind of weird GOP doctor koan? I really don’t think it’s a GOP thing. I can’t recall a Democratic leader who bucked too hard until the polls came out. I think this was a decency thing. Lots of Republican _and_ Democrat just-plain-people saw eye-to-eye on this one. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2005, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390/180 "2005-06-16T18:39:07Z")
Christ on a cracker. Frist IS 1. a member of the GOP and 2. a DOCTOR!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/schiavo-autopsy-released/308390.md?page=10)