# School has Planned Parenthood speak without parental notification **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 13, 2002, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403 "2002-04-13T05:36:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ipse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@Ipse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ipse)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2002, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/101 "2002-04-19T18:35:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr2001 \* > \*\* > I thought you said they claimed to be gay in order to fit in. Now you’re saying they just joined the gay/straight alliance? > > If joining that group were the same as claiming to be gay, it would just be called the gay alliance. \*\* That was not my intention, I wished to use the gay strait alience as an example of what I was saying, not as an end of what I was saying. I used the gay strait alience as an example, not the only example. I did not say that joining this organization automaticaly made you gay eather, simply that the members were pressured to become so, not that every member did. I feel that schools, through their “Diversity conditioning” and “Gay strait alience” are promoting homosexuality among high school students… ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2002, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/102 "2002-04-19T18:52:30Z")
No, **Ipse** , it’s promoting **acceptance** of other people, their identities and choices in life. (Requesting both sides not to get off on a homosexuality =/!= choice tangent.) ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2002, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/103 "2002-04-19T19:00:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ipse \* > \*\*I did not say that joining this organization automaticaly made you gay eather, simply that the members were pressured to become so, not that every member did. I feel that schools, through their “Diversity conditioning” and “Gay strait alience” are promoting homosexuality among high school students… \*\* How in the world do you pressure someone into becoming homosexual? I can see some extremely impressionable teen perhaps be able to be pressured (hell, for very large sums of money and my wife’s approval, I’m there) into having intimate contact with a member of the same sex, but that doesn’t make them homosexual. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/104 "2002-04-24T16:39:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jayjay \* > \*\* > > So…if one knows that anti-homosexual attitudes and propaganda contribute to gay teen suicide, and then continues to support anti-homosexual attitudes and propaganda, how is it that the general public is not supposed to observe such a situation and **not** assume that those supporting such attitudes and propaganda desire such an outcome? > > If I observed that running over a squirrel with my car generally leads to the death of the squirrel, then subsequently continue to run over squirrels with my car, is it not accurate to assume that I desire for squirrels to die? > > Conservatives can’t have it both ways. If you know that your attitudes and actions contribute to the self-inflicted deaths of a class of human beings, and continue to propagate those attitudes and actions, you are responsible for the deaths of those human beings, in part, and it must be assumed that, because you did not stop doing what led to those deaths, you desire for those deaths to occur.\*\* OK - Andrew Cunanen (the guy who killed Versace) committed sucide as the cops were closing in to arrest him for his multiple murders. Therefore, everyone who thinks murderers should be arrested is guilty of his death? AIDS in America is spread primarily thru homosexual anal intercourse. People die of AIDS. Therefore, everyone who supports a pro-gay/anti-homophobic/whatever the hell you want to quibble about wants people to get AIDS? Some people drink themselves to death. Anyone who supports legal drinking wants alcoholics to die? Talk about a straw man. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ipse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@Ipse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ipse)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/105 "2002-04-24T21:36:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DMC \* > \*\* > > How in the world do you pressure someone into becoming homosexual? I can see some extremely impressionable teen perhaps be able to be pressured (hell, for very large sums of money and my wife’s approval, I’m there) into having intimate contact with a member of the same sex, but that doesn’t make them homosexual. \*\* well, that is it… they are not homosexuals, but they are pressured into thinking they are… As, I am sure you have heard all the stories about a gay guy with a wife and kids, these people were pressured into doing something that was “socialy acceptable” though for these people it is socaly acceptable to be gay, because in their search for a society to belong in, there society was one of homosexuals… I am not saying that they become homosexual by any means, one does not become a homosexual, but they are welcomed by the homosexual community, posibly the first time they have been welcomed in their life. Through being welcomed, and made to feel comfortable, they are being reinforced to be with this group. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2002, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/106 "2002-04-24T21:50:58Z")
So, **Ipse** , what are you saying? > [@](#): > > well, that is it… they are not homosexuals, but they are pressured into thinking they are… As, I am sure you have heard all the stories about a gay guy with a wife and kids, these people were pressured into doing something that was “socialy acceptable” though for these people it is socaly acceptable to be gay, because in their search for a society to belong in, there society was one of homosexuals… > > I am not saying that they become homosexual by any means, one does not become a homosexual, but they are welcomed by the homosexual community, posibly the first time they have been welcomed in their life. Through being welcomed, and made to feel comfortable, they are being reinforced to be with this group. So, it’s a horrible, horrible thing that these social outcasts finds a group of people (also social outcasts) who accept them? And that, because they’re accepted, they may not condemn this group of social outcasts as heartily as the rest of society? Oh, the horror. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/107 "2002-04-25T00:03:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*AIDS in America is spread primarily thru homosexual anal intercourse. \*\* Cite? My understanding is that the principal vectors for the propogation of AIDS are heterosexual penile-vaginal intercourse and incidental intravenous transfer through the use of infected needles or other devices for injecting drugs. Homosexual anal intercourse is a distant third, if not fourth or fifth by now. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/108 "2002-04-25T12:27:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KellyM \* > \*\*Cite? My understanding is that the principal vectors for the propogation of AIDS are heterosexual penile-vaginal intercourse and incidental intravenous transfer through the use of infected needles or other devices for injecting drugs. Homosexual anal intercourse is a distant third, if not fourth or fifth by now. \*\* Your understanding conflicts with what the CDC reports. [Gay/bisexual cases of AIDS in America outnumber heterosexual transmissions by about four to one, and IV transmission by about two to one.](http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm#cumaids) Homosexual anal intercourse is now, and has always been, the primary method of transmission of AIDS in the United States. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/109 "2002-04-25T13:12:25Z")
Speaking of cite, I ask yet again if anyone has found anything to confirm the tale told in the original link? Y’know, the one about the Planned Parenthood demo that was supposedly given without the consent of the parents? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/110 "2002-04-25T13:44:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Czarcasm \* > \*\*Speaking of cite, I ask yet again if anyone has found anything to confirm the tale told in the original link? Y’know, the one about the Planned Parenthood demo that was supposedly given without the consent of the parents? \*\* I found a link indicating that the school board was considering letting the theater troupe appear. It’s somewhere on the second page, I think. That’s the best I could find. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/111 "2002-04-25T14:23:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*Your understanding conflicts with what the CDC reports. \*\* I don’t see that at all. The document you cited covers all cases (hence the term “cumulative”). It is not a report on current trends. Secondly, the CDC reports only on the United States. While it is true that the highest risk factor in the United States is still male-male anal sex (assuming you don’t elect to correct for reporting bias), this is not true in most of Africa, where the infection rate is **much** higher. Worldwide, the African infection rates completely drown out American rates, and in Africa heterosexual sex is far and away the highest risk factor. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Homosexual anal intercourse is now, and has always been, the primary method of transmission of AIDS in the United States.\*\* Try again. You still haven’t produced a valid cite. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2002, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/112 "2002-04-25T15:53:20Z")
No offense, **KellyM** , but you need to reread what I stated. You object that the CDC statistics do not show current trends, but admit that “the highest risk factor in the United States is still male-male anal sex”. In other words, the current trend is for AIDS patients to have been infected by homosexual anal intercourse with an infected partner. Just as I stated. The CDC statistics show that this has always been the case in the US. Just as I stated. The CDC statistics apply only to the US. Just as I stated. I realize that my statements are politically incorrect, as well as antithetical to the “AIDS is a disease of everyone” nonsense currently being peddled by AIDS activists lobbying for funding, but they are nonetheless the exact and literal truth. Aren’t facts inconvenient? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/113 "2002-04-26T07:34:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > **In other words, the current trend is for AIDS patients to have been infected by homosexual anal intercourse with an infected partner. Just as I stated.** While homosexual activity is the **primary** method of contraction in the U.S., the above statement is not accurate. Two out of three (approximately) current adult contractions of AIDS are **not** linked to homosexual activities. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/114 "2002-04-26T11:37:00Z")
It should also be noted that the CDC studies do not determine the actual means of transmission. Rather, they merely interview individuals diagnosed with AIDS and identify the “risk factors”. This process is biased: if the individual is male and has **ever** had sex with another man, even if only once, they will list the case as “sex with men”. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/115 "2002-04-26T13:21:12Z")
**KellyM** - Also incorrect. Again, reread the statistics. If a person has two risk factors such IV drug abuse and sex with men, he goes into another category. He is not listed as a “sex with men” case. **DMC** - Saying “homosexual activity is the primary method of contraction in the U.S.” is my position. If you are arguing in support of **KellyM** ’s position that heterosexual intercourse is the means by which most AIDS cases in America were transmitted in recent years, I will have to ask you for a cite. It is very uncommon for a man in America to contract the AIDS virus from heterosexual, vaginal intercourse. Most cases of AIDS in America are male. The two most common causes of most HIV infections in America are: 1. Being the receptive partner in homosexual anal intercourse with an infected male, and 2. IV drug abuse. N.B. - If we are just going to quibble over semantics like the pro-choice/anti-life garbage earlier, the hell with it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/116 "2002-04-26T14:20:32Z")
**Shodan** : Yes, they will list both “sex with men” and “IV drug use” as a double factor. But if a person who has had sex with thirty-six different female prostitutes and one man gets AIDS, the CDC will call that a “sex with men” case, disregarding the other risk factor. Your claim that “It is very uncommon for a man in America to contract the AIDS virus from heterosexual, vaginal intercourse” is based on a reporting system that is predicated on that assumption. There’s a chicken and egg problem here. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/117 "2002-04-26T21:22:29Z")
Shodan, I wasn’t arguing in support of anyone’s position. I simply took the data from your source and came to the conclusion that a person in the US is more likely to get AIDS from one of the other vectors than from homosexual activities, which goes against your statement that I quoted. In political terms (US data only), a plurality of recent AIDS cases resulted from homosexual activity, but the majority of AIDS cases were not linked to this. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/118 "2002-04-26T22:18:39Z")
DMC: If you’re going by Shodan’s cite, 361,867 cases are in the homosexual men category, 296,957 are in the the non-homosexual men category, 50,066 are in the homsexual men and drug user category, and 75,142 are in the unknown category. While it’s possible (but, in IMHO, not very reasonable) to interpret those numbers to conclude that homosexual men are a minority, it is certainly not true that they make up only one third of the cases. Where did you get that? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/119 "2002-04-26T23:56:49Z")
The Ryan, The discussion was in regards to **current** trends, not the cumulative total. Look at the June 2000 - June 2001 numbers, and you’ll see the same numbers that I used. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2002, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403/120 "2002-04-26T23:58:16Z")
The Ryan, I should probably have included [this](http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1301/table5.htm) link to the breakdown of the numbers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/school-has-planned-parenthood-speak-without-parental-notification/103403.md?page=7)