Schrödinger’s Cat and the quantum mechanical "observer"

Put simply, the statistical approach is inconsistent with experiment. In reply to a similar question in early 2003, our (former?) moderator Jesse gave a better reply than I ever could.

I’d post a link to the thread, but it doesn’t seem to be around anymore. I saved Jesse’s post because he quoted a particularly good explanation, but it appears hyperlinks weren’t preserved. :frowning:

Actually, I thought the original thought experiment specifically required quantum mechanics–the cat is killed/not killed as a direct result of subatomic actions:

This isn’t coin toss stuff–the cat dies because of a decaying atom. You can’t get much more quantum than that.

There’s no doubt in my mind that you need quantum mechanics to describe the state of the atom. I’m saying the state of the cat is no different than if you’d just shot him, or not shot him. It’s not a superposition, because your aparatus already made a measurement on the atom and collapsed the whole thing down to a single outcome, and likewise the cat made a measurement of his own aliveness or deadness by continuing to be alive or dead.

If I’m right, and both of those things constitute a measurement, then there’s nothing particularly quantum mechanical about the state of the cat. In which case, what was the point of the cat in the first place? What was the point of the whole thought experiment?

The Schrödinger’s cat “paradox” arises because quantum mechanics places no obvious maximum limit on the size of a quantum system. Quantum mechanics seems to predict that the cat should be in a superposition of “alive” and “dead” states (just as the state of a single photon might become correlated with that of the decaying atom); yet we never see such superpositions.

There are several possible resolutions of this paradox.[ol]
[li]Quantum mechanics may be incomplete; new physics takes effect somewhere between the microscopic scales at which quantum effects are easily observed and the macroscopic scales at which we don’t see quantum effects and explains why we don’t see macroscopic superpositions.[/li][li]A nonobvious emergent property of quantum mechanics may inhibit the formation of macroscopic superpositions.[/li][li]Something may prevent us from observing macroscopic superpositions, even when they exist.[/ol](This list is not intended to be exhaustive, and the alternatives are not mutually exclusive.)[/li]
Penrose, for example, argues for #1 (in The Emperor’s New Mind and Shadows of the Mind), proposing quantum gravity as the required “new physics.”

An explanation which IME is more popular with quantum physicists is a combination of #2 and #3 called “environment-induced decoherence.” The essential idea is that the “environment” is very good at interacting with systems, and especially with macroscopic systems: for example, through absorption and emission of photons, interaction with molecules of gas surrounding the system, etc. The environment thus tends to constantly measure systems. Because these interactions tend to be localized in space and time, the systems tend to become correlated with the environment in a position basis. This means that macroscopic superpositions separated in space will be very hard to observe; the universe is constantly trying to correlate the position state of the experimental system with your state. Like the cat, you become correlated with the state of the nucleus. This is essentially a many-worlds interpretation: the wavefunction never actually “collapses” into a single eigenstate; it just becomes entangled with larger and larger portions of the universe.

In this view, from the cat’s perspective it has “measured” the atom and knows its state (well, in the sense that it’s either alive or dead). From your perspective outside the box, the entire atom+cat system inside the box is still in a superposition of states (at least, if the box is very well insulated from the outside world). Now, when you look into the box, your state becomes correlated with the state of the cat (and the atom). To you, it appears that you have collapsed the wavefunction of the cat. To someone outside your lab, the atom+cat+you system inside your lab is still in a superposition; and so on. You never “see” any superpositions, because one of your states sees a living cat and the other sees a dead cat.

Essentially, this argument boils down to what chrisk said:

I don’t think anyone really knows, but nobody really knows a “mechanism” for QM at all. It’s just an assumption that things behave more or less linearly, so linear combinations of states are also states.

One can’t really use quantum mechanics, or any physical theory, to discuss what’s happening in an unobserved system. The role of physics is to predict (at least statistically) the outcomes of experiments. So it’s perfectly legitimate to say “When I open the box and make the measurement, there’s a 50% chance that I’ll observe a dead cat and a 50% chance I’ll observe a live cat”. It is not legitimate, however, to say anything about the condition of the cat before it’s observed, or even to ask questions about such. Such questions are not questions of physics.

I generally accept this premise, but it’s important to keep in mind that it is a philosophical premise nonetheless, which may in the end be proven wrong.