# Science v. Religion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 28, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243 "2005-02-28T03:45:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/181 "2005-03-16T19:57:15Z")
[QUOTE=Scott\_plaid] > [@](#): > > No, that didn’t work. This forum is too bug free. Let’s try something else. You mean the link didn’t work? It works for me when I use it. [URU=http://www.religioustolerance.org/inerran2.htm[/uru]Inerrancy: Is the Bible Infallable, Inerrant, Free of Error? [/URU] > [@](#): > > to make it into a link with text, simply replace the words “URU” with “URL” the space between the title, and the “”, like so: > > [Inerrancy: Is the Bible Infallable, Inerrant, Free of Error?](http://www.religioustolerance.org/inerran2.htm%5B/url) I may try that later. If that is your question then the answer is no. The bible is a book period. I don’t believe God wrote any books. I place value in the teachings of Jesus as I do the teachings of Buddha. {which are remarkably similiar by the way} I don’t value the bible any more than I do my books by Babba RAm Dass or Wayne Dyers new Power of Intention series. They are all just tools of study. Let me pose a question. Is there anything Jesus said that you think science has demonstrated to be false? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/182 "2005-03-16T20:13:48Z")
[QUOTE=cosmosdan] No, not my link, my attempt to put spaces between the parts of the link, to show what it looks like disasembled, or in diagraming terms, exploded. I was trying to demonstate how to use words with a link, and that was just my example, not my question. My question was the one you said was too silly to answer back in post 174. Remember: > [@cosmosdan](#): > > As for your “child of perfect faith” example. It was to ridiculous to take seriously. I responded that it seemed to be quite literal, and would solve the question once and for all. You simply responded to Bryan’s posts. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/183 "2005-03-16T20:24:05Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > I responded that it seemed to be quite literal, and would solve the question once and for all. You simply responded to Bryan’s posts. Nope. I spoke directly to your example of a child with perfect faith. Me earlier > [@](#): > > Your example is about one definition of the word faith and in essence is brainwashing. > Jesus specificly says not to believe the teachings of men {or their attempts at brainwashing} but to seek your own communion with God. Jesus is indeed saying that others can do what he did, which was communion with God on a level inconceivable by most people. This kind of communion requires effort and a comiitment to the truth. He says we must be committed to the truth beyond tradition and what anyone says, including our friends, family, religous leaders, and non believers. The faith that Jesus speaks of is faith born of a personnel experience with the Holy Spirit, or the force, or field of energy. I don’t care what you call it. > MAtt 16 17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. > This kinda eliminates your example doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/184 "2005-03-16T20:29:57Z")
I saw that, but I did not connect it with my example. So, jesus said one thing. I quoted it directly. It supported my case. You put together a paraphrase of what jesus said, and it seemed to contractdict my case, but it was a paraphrase. It would seem to contradict itself. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/185 "2005-03-16T21:02:21Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > I saw that, but I did not connect it with my example. So, jesus said one thing. I quoted it directly. It supported my case. You put together a paraphrase of what jesus said, and it seemed to contractdict my case, but it was a paraphrase. It would seem to contradict itself. please remind me of your direct quote and any explanation of how they contradict each other. It’s pretty easy to pull selctive verses out to support a particular view. Christians do it all the time. I try to look at the sum of what Jesus said.I’ll be glad to consider anything you think is a contradiction or consider anything you have concerning my proposal. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/186 "2005-03-16T21:08:09Z")
Bryan > [@](#): > > Quote: from me > The goal of the spiritual quest is not to control or manipulate human societes. … The goal as I see it is to grow as indiviuals and influence socieity into making better choices. You contradict yourself rather casually, there. How do you see this as a contradiction? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/187 "2005-03-16T21:09:17Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > MAt 17:20 > He replied, “Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” > \ > Can I prove to you that these things are possible. Nope. Thats okay with me too. > As I said. Those who have connected to the field of energy and those who have been healed, can enjoy the results without scientific acceptance. I responded in post 124, with an example of how it could be proven. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/188 "2005-03-16T21:55:27Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > How do you see this as a contradiction? Because the only real distinction between “manipulate” and “influence” is that the first might be a little more subtle and a little more energetic than the second. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/189 "2005-03-16T22:18:06Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Because the only real distinction between “manipulate” and “influence” is that the first might be a little more subtle and a little more energetic than the second. Influence is something we have to do. Its a by product of interaction. It doesn’t infer that the influence is a conscious effort to change someone else. I suppose it could mean that under certain circumstances. MAnipulate is a conscious effort to change someone usually to serve your own purpose. I was talking about how a person who because of his or her beliefs, strives to be honest, kind, and compassionate, might influence others to do the same simply by their presence and sincerity, with no conscious effort to change anybody. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243/190 "2005-03-16T22:26:59Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > I responded in post 124, with an example of how it could be proven. Yes, and I explained to you that the faith you described in that post is NOT the faith Jesus spoke of. There is no contradiction. The faith you spoke of is what a child gets when you tell him fire is hot. The faith I spoke of is what he gets when he touches the fire. Belief born of personnel first hand expirience. See the difference? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/science-v-religion/292243.md?page=9)