# Scores killed in explosions and shootout in Paris. Hostages being held **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 13, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499 "2015-11-13T21:55:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/1 "2015-11-13T21:55:26Z")
[Link](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34814203) CNN reports hostages being held in a theatre. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/2 "2015-11-13T21:57:57Z")
I’m watching it on TV. Dammit! What the hell can be done about these violent morons? ---
**Author:** ![DummyGladHands](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DummyGladHands](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DummyGladHands)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/3 "2015-11-13T21:58:14Z")
Neither mundane nor pointless. And this confirms my agreement for a current events forum as was discussed an ATMB. This is posted as a news story with no comment or opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/4 "2015-11-13T22:14:53Z")
CNN is reporting a shootout happening now between police and the hostage-takers. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/5 "2015-11-13T22:19:01Z")
Attacks at multiple locations. > **[Paris attacks: as they happened - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34815972)** > > Live coverage as dozens of people are killed in multiple attacks around Paris and France declares a state of emergency, closing its borders. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/6 "2015-11-13T22:20:02Z")
Witness who escaped from the Bataclan concert venue says that the gunmen mentioned Syria. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/7 "2015-11-13T22:22:42Z")
Unconfirmed reports of two suicide bombers. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/8 "2015-11-13T22:23:21Z")
This does not sound good. > [@DummyGladHands](#): > > Neither mundane nor pointless. I looked in the Pit first. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/9 "2015-11-13T22:25:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Link](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34814203) > > CNN reports hostages being held in a theatre. It’s a sold-out [Eagles of Death Metal show](http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/11/report-terrorists-take-hostages-at-eagles-of-death-metal-concert-in-paris/). A really great band, actually. This is horrific. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/10 "2015-11-13T22:25:48Z")
I wonder who on earth could be responsible for such things. Maybe it’s the Jehovah’s Witnesses. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/11 "2015-11-13T22:26:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I looked in the Pit first. IMO, The Pit is for flaming other posters; not for recreational outrage. Many things in MPSIMS are neither M or P. ---
**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/12 "2015-11-13T22:31:05Z")
From the[BBC’s live updates](http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34815972), it appears there are three attacks going on at the same time? One outside a restaurant in the 11th district, one outside a bar near a sports stadium, and the hostage situation in the concert hall. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/13 "2015-11-13T22:32:30Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Witness who escaped from the Bataclan concert venue says that the gunmen mentioned Syria. A journalist named Erwan Desplanques, apparently. Translated by a French guy on another forum: > [@](#): > > Un des amis rescapé du Bataclan. 5 ou 6 tireurs, non masqués, plusieurs coups de feu (d’abord en l’air) pendant 5 minutes. Des corps au sol. > > One of the friends who escaped the Bataclan: 5 or 6 shooters, unmasked, several gunshots (first in the air) for five minutes. Bodies on the ground. > Au début, confusion, tout le monde a cru à des pétards. Puis les gens se sont couchés dans la fosse. Tirs dans le tas puis étage #bataclan. > > First confusion, everyone thought about fireworks, then people lied in the gap. Shots in the crowd then on the second floor. > La Syrie a été mentionnée par les assaillants #bataclan La salle est toujours bouclée. Des amis encore à l’intérieur. > > Syria was mentioned by the attackers. Hall still on lockdown, friends inside. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/14 "2015-11-13T22:36:14Z")
The [front page at CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html) is claiming 60 dead now, although the story with that headline is only claiming 18. Reminiscent of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, but on a much larger scale. I wonder how the French will respond? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/15 "2015-11-13T22:37:16Z")
French Dopers, please report in. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/16 "2015-11-13T22:38:37Z")
Violently. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/17 "2015-11-13T22:40:13Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > The [front page at CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html) is claiming 60 dead now Perhaps the title should be changed to ‘Scores killed’. ---
**Author:** ![Suse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Suse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suse)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/18 "2015-11-13T22:50:56Z")
Horrifying and sad. Our hearts are with France tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/19 "2015-11-13T22:58:22Z")
[BBC news live feed](http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34815972). [Le Monde’s live feed](http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/live/2015/11/13/au-moins-dix-huit-morts-dans-plusieurs-fusillades-et-explosions-a-paris_4809489_3224.html), wherein Hollande is claiming dozens are dead. France has closed its borders as well, according to that feed. I have read claims that the Bataclan theater attackers have begun killing hostages, some via decapitation. I haven’t been able to find a reputable cite for that though. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/20 "2015-11-13T23:01:14Z")
Wow. Hollande has closed the borders. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499.md?page=2)