# Scores killed in explosions and shootout in Paris. Hostages being held **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 13, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499 "2015-11-13T21:55:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/281 "2015-11-14T14:31:25Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Accepting this, which do you believe is a more effective way of dealing with the issue? > > 1. Social and economic efforts to integrate citizens more fully into the polity of the nation. > > 2. Bomb Muslims back to the Stone Age. Best thing by USA would be to ban Islam. USA is the most powerful nation - 22-23% of world’s GDP, most powerful army, greatest soft-power. Geographically safely located(separated by oceans) and still has relatively low Islamic population percentage. So if USA bans Islam inside USA, it would send a great and a powerful message to the world. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/282 "2015-11-14T14:34:03Z")
Er… No. That actually would be against our ideals. I just advocated a little profiling and discrimination. Banning a religion is going way too far. America’s current Muslim population has not caused any problems at all. I’m wary about opening us up to mass immigration of Muslims like Europe has, that actually has caused major problems. But our current immigration policy towards Muslims seems to be just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/283 "2015-11-14T14:35:46Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > So if USA bans Islam inside USA, it would send a great and a powerful message to the world. Why don’t we just ban evil? ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/284 "2015-11-14T14:40:04Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Why don’t we just ban evil? Islam is the source that leads to evil. All other religions except Islam live with harmony in 21st century . ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/285 "2015-11-14T14:48:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Er… No. That actually would be against our ideals. I just advocated a little profiling and discrimination. Banning a religion is going way too far. America’s current Muslim population has not caused any problems at all. I’m wary about opening us up to mass immigration of Muslims like Europe has, that actually has caused major problems. But our current immigration policy towards Muslims seems to be just fine. It is correct that USA’s Muslim population is not greatly expected to cause great damage as long as it is low. Ban just Islam (Face covering, mosques, halal , sharia and other objectionable stuff). People who want to come to USA will tacitly denounce it to come to USA. It will send a powerful message. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/286 "2015-11-14T14:56:46Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > It is correct that USA’s Muslim population is not greatly expected to cause great damage as long as it is low. Ban just Islam (Face covering, mosques, halal , sharia and other objectionable stuff). People who want to come to USA will tacitly denounce it to come to USA. > > It will send a powerful message. Yeah, that we ignore our the Constitution. Be careful, you might be on the next shit list. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/287 "2015-11-14T15:02:36Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Yeah, that we ignore our the Constitution. Constitution can be amended. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/288 "2015-11-14T15:06:23Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Constitution can be amended. Trump is running for POTUS. Don’t give him any more ideas. I fully expect to hear French horror used to make American political hay in the coming week. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/289 "2015-11-14T15:08:28Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > Trump is running for POTUS. Don’t give him any more ideas. I fully expect to hear French horror used to make American political hay in the coming week. Don’t forget Huckabee and Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/290 "2015-11-14T15:32:26Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Constitution can be amended. One might hope that you are not as ignorant of that process as you are of Islam. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/291 "2015-11-14T15:38:40Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Islam is the source that leads to evil. All other religions except Islam live with harmony in 21st century . This explains why we recently had presidential candidates attending a “Christian” conference that featured a pastor who advocates killing gay folks…they must be secret Muslims. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/292 "2015-11-14T15:42:44Z")
When I went to bed last night, the death toll was over at (or greater than) 150 on all the networks I saw (ABC, NBC, CNN, and FOX). Just tuned into CNN and they are now saying 128 dead. Is their any explanation why there was an error? Sensational Journalism? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/293 "2015-11-14T15:52:53Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > It is correct that USA’s Muslim population is not greatly expected to cause great damage as long as it is low. Ban just Islam (Face covering, mosques, halal , sharia and other objectionable stuff). People who want to come to USA will tacitly denounce it to come to USA. > > It will send a powerful message. Splendid! There is that pesky problem of the millions of Muslims already here, however. Relocation to Madagascar, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/294 "2015-11-14T15:54:49Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > When I went to bed last night, the death toll was over at (or greater than) 150 on all the networks I saw (ABC, NBC, CNN, and FOX). > > Just tuned into CNN and they are now saying 128 dead. > > Is their any explanation why there was an error? Sensational Journalism? I think it takes time to come to a precise number, but certain networks will always take the high estimate for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/295 "2015-11-14T15:54:59Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Islam is the source that leads to evil. All other religions except Islam live with harmony in 21st century . Is there no other evil in the world we want to get rid of? Why is Islamic evil unique in that respect? I would think banning all evil would be more desireable. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/296 "2015-11-14T15:57:08Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Best thing by USA would be to ban Islam. USA is the most powerful nation - 22-23% of world’s GDP, most powerful army, greatest soft-power. Geographically safely located(separated by oceans) and still has relatively low Islamic population percentage. > > So if USA bans Islam inside USA, it would send a great and a powerful message to the world. That’s not the answer. It’s totally inconsistent with the Constitution and American ideals. The answer is to be reasonably careful about who you let in the country. If you limit immigration to a small number of people who are likely to fit in and be a net benefit, then you don’t have to go banning religions. Muslims in the US tend to be well-educated and moderate, and there aren’t too many of them, so it works OK. (I am aware that Muslim terrorists themselves are often well-educated and middle-class, but they need an angry underclass to operate in.) Paris is surrounded by craphole banlieues full of surly, poor Middle Eastern and African Muslims. That didn’t happen spontaneously, like the weather. It was a deliberate policy of the French government. Obviously, the French people never voted for this; it was foisted on them by the powers that be, for complicated reasons. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/297 "2015-11-14T16:32:05Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Splendid! There is that pesky problem of the millions of Muslims already here, however. > Relocation to Madagascar, maybe? Muslims won’t miss out much by ban on Islam. Simply won’t practice it. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Is there no other evil in the world we want to get rid of? Why is Islamic evil unique in that respect? I would think banning all evil would be more desireable. Yes. since the topic is Islamic terror, I proposed this idea. I have other ideas but those are for other topics. > [@Hyperelastic](#): > > That’s not the answer. It’s totally inconsistent with the Constitution and American ideals. > > The answer is to be reasonably careful about who you let in the country. If you limit immigration to a small number of people who are likely to fit in and be a net benefit, then you don’t have to go banning religions. Muslims in the US tend to be well-educated and moderate, and there aren’t too many of them, so it works OK. > > (I am aware that Muslim terrorists themselves are often well-educated and middle-class, but they need an angry underclass to operate in.) > > Paris is surrounded by craphole banlieues full of surly, poor Middle Eastern and African Muslims. That didn’t happen spontaneously, like the weather. It was a deliberate policy of the French government. Obviously, the French people never voted for this; it was foisted on them by the powers that be, for complicated reasons. It’s not abt just USA. There will be massive ramifications for the world. People are sick of pseudo secular BS, appeasement, right things not being allowed to prevail.. Once USA cross a threshold population %age, you won’t be able to ban it anyways. So ban it now when the population %age is still low. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/298 "2015-11-14T16:40:24Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Muslims won’t miss out much by ban on Islam. Simply won’t practice it. That’s hysterical. Past attempts at banning various religions over the millennia have shown just how successful that strategy would be. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/299 "2015-11-14T16:45:18Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Yes. since the topic is Islamic terror, I proposed this idea. I have other ideas but those are for other topics. I thought the topic was the specific terror attacks in Paris last night, and not Islamic terrorism as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/300 "2015-11-14T16:47:53Z")
Truthseeker is an apologist for the suppression of non-hindus in the India, mostly focusing on the muslims but his evasions and excuses about the suppression/violence against others like the christians (in the pit thread) can lead you to understand that he is just your ordinary hater and promoter of oppression of those he does not like. In any case, for the polling, the banned one selective quoting should be in fact looked at in the [2013 Pew](http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/) report. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499.md?page=16)