# Scores killed in explosions and shootout in Paris. Hostages being held **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 13, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499 "2015-11-13T21:55:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Applecourt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e99b99/32.png) [@Applecourt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Applecourt)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/21 "2015-11-13T23:01:53Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > The [front page at CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html) is claiming 60 dead now, although the story with that headline is only claiming 18. > > Reminiscent of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, but on a much larger scale. I wonder how the French will respond? From reports here in the UK it’s 15 dead and 60 hostages ☹ But likely to increase sad sad day for Paris. They’ve issued a state of emergency for the whole of France. > **[Paris attacks: Bataclan and other assaults leave many dead](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203)** > > France declares a national state of emergency after at least 128 people are killed and more than 180 wounded in gun and bomb attacks in Paris. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/22 "2015-11-13T23:05:10Z")
Madness. What do they think they can achieve by doing things like this? It’s absolutely senseless. I know that I’m ranting and stating the obvious but dammit, this is insanity that achieves nothing positive for anybody. Not the perpetrators. Not whatever their cause is. Nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/23 "2015-11-13T23:09:09Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > IMO, The Pit is for flaming other posters; not for recreational outrage. > > Many things in MPSIMS are neither M or P. I looked here first. MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![Renee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/renee/32/287_2.png) [@Renee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/24 "2015-11-13T23:14:23Z")
This is so goddamn frustrating! What are these assholes trying to accomplish? What the fuck is wrong with these people? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/25 "2015-11-13T23:17:05Z")
Eagles of Death Metal, the band playing at the venue, are reportedly safe. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/26 "2015-11-13T23:20:59Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Wow. Hollande has closed the borders. > [@Applecourt](#): > > From reports here in the UK it’s 15 dead and 60 hostages ☹ But likely to increase sad sad day for Paris. They’ve issued a state of emergency for the whole of France. Various sources are giving me different versions that a State of Emergency for the entirety of Metropolitan France has not been issued since the time of the Algerian war, or even at all under the 5th Republic. _Putain merde…_ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/27 "2015-11-13T23:21:23Z")
> [@Renee](#): > > This is so goddamn frustrating! What are these assholes trying to accomplish? What the fuck is wrong with these people? Frustrating? Alien mindsets dont value what classical liberalism values. It’s not complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/28 "2015-11-13T23:22:34Z")
This is so sad, I wonder what ramifications this will have on the refugees coming to Europe, it’s not like there won’t be. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/29 "2015-11-13T23:26:11Z")
AP is reporting 35 killed (quoting a French police report) and at least 100 taken hostage. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/30 "2015-11-13T23:26:12Z")
Hostage situation in progress per CNN. This appears to be the worst terrorist attack since 9/11. Words fail. ---
**Author:** ![Applecourt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e99b99/32.png) [@Applecourt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Applecourt)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/31 "2015-11-13T23:26:16Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Various sources are giving me different versions that a State of Emergency for the entirety of Metropolitan France has not been issued since the time of the Algerian war, or even at all under the 5th Republic. > > _Putain merde…_ F\*\*\*K… 😕 For people who need to see up to date coverage if you can get access BBC do a live page. > **[Paris attacks: as they happened](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34815972)** > > Live coverage as dozens of people are killed in multiple attacks around Paris and France declares a state of emergency, closing its borders. I’m in shock a lot of people are saying retaliation for the killing of ‘Jijadi John’ but this does seem to well organised for that either way my heart goes out to Paris tonight. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/32 "2015-11-13T23:32:53Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > This is so sad, I wonder what ramifications this will have on the refugees coming to Europe, it’s not like there won’t be. France has already closed its borders to everyone. That is an unprecedented move that isn’t just for show because it is so extreme. Yes, there will be severe ramifications to the refugees coming into and through Europe. I wouldn’t be surprised if the mood in many countries led to strong border security, imprisonment and mass deportations. This crisis still isn’t over. There are a whole theater full of people still being held hostage and reportedly killed one by one. Some of them are posting about it on social media right now not knowing if they will live through tonight. Assuming this is ISIS, I cannot figure out what their strategy is. They supposedly already bombed a Russian airliner this week and now they are attacking France yet again. They might as well carry out mass attacks on the U.S. to see how many powerful militaries with nukes they can really piss off. Maybe this is a way to get Russia, France and the U.S. to get over their petty differences and get rid of some of that excess nuclear inventory at the same time. I know a large patch of desert that would be the perfect place to dispose of it. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/33 "2015-11-13T23:34:10Z")
I’m watching on BBC now. They’re reporting “at least” 40 dead. Multiple bombs and explosions. A hostage situation with 100 hostages. City’s locked down. National borders closed. This is France’s 9/11. I think things are going to get a whole lot tighter in cities everywhere. I’m glad we visited New York and Washington when we did a few years ago. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/34 "2015-11-13T23:35:44Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > French Dopers, please report in. American Doper here. I’m posting from a hotel in Villepinte, near De Gaulle Airport. I’m watching TF1 right now. So far seems that at least one car bomb was detonated outside the Stade de France as spectators were leaving after a football match between the French and German national teams. More or less at the same time, gunmen with automatic weapons opened fire at maybe three locations in downtown Paris, in the vicinity of Place Republique. TV is reporting up to 40 dead, and dozens of injuries. Some hostages may be held at the Bataclan concert venue. Quite a lot of confusion, as one may imagine. I was supposed to fly out tomorrow; looks like that won’t happen. Frontiers have been closed; Paris residents being told to stay indoors (naturally enough). ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/35 "2015-11-13T23:36:29Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Maybe this is a way to get Russia, France and the U.S. to get over their petty differences and get rid of some of that excess nuclear inventory at the same time. I know a large patch of desert that would be the perfect place to dispose of it. They’d regard that as a glorious victory, considering what killing that many innocent bystanders would do to those nations politically. “Make the other side go berserk” is a classic terrorist goal. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/36 "2015-11-13T23:38:45Z")
I’m seeing reports the hostages at the concert are being shot one by one. I don’t suppose Germany and Spain and England could send in air support? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/37 "2015-11-13T23:38:46Z")
The France 24 English-language feed is doing good, solid, sober coverage here > **[France 24 - International breaking news, top stories and headlines](https://www.france24.com/en/)** > > Breaking news and world news from France 24 on Business, Sports, Culture. Video news. News from the US, Europe, Asia Pacific, Africa, Middle East, America ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/38 "2015-11-13T23:40:39Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I don’t suppose Germany and Spain and England could send in air support? What would that achieve? Anyway, the French military and gendarmerie are very capable. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/39 "2015-11-13T23:42:26Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > What would that achieve? Anyway, the French military and gendarmerie are very capable. To help. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499/40 "2015-11-13T23:44:50Z")
I wish Wolf Blitzer would quit drooling over the number of dead. He seems to get more excited every time he mentions it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scores-killed-in-explosions-and-shootout-in-paris-hostages-being-held/737499.md?page=3)