Scotland and the British Empire

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HAVE! H-A-V-E. AITCH AY VEE EEE.

Sorry, but that’s twice today that I’ve seen someone use that particular abomination. This is the Dope, we should know better.

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Run that by again?

You could of guessed his beef by the context.

I should have believed so, but I don’t have a clue.

He’s complaining about the use of “would of” instead of “would’ve.”

Yes, it’s heartrendering. People commit these errors on mass. But instead of getting into a high dungeon, I tend to get bored of it.

Thanks.

"We’re all Englishmen here - "
(Interjection: “Not English, British!”)
"Were all British here - "
(Interjection: “Not British, Scots!”)

And I’m always tickled by the fact that the Ships Engineer on Star Trek was a Scot. Even in the 60’s that was playing to national stereotypes

Even in the '60s? I should have thought that the stereotype was much stronger in the 1960s than it is now.

This guy takes a reasonable stab at explaining the political and geographical terms used to describe the British Isles and the other bits in a short animated video.

It is complicated.

He did another on the circumstances by which Scotland joined with England. As you might expect, money had a lot to do with it.

Well, up to a point. There were tariffs on most major Scottish trade goods (linen, coal, salt, cattle)* with the Scots making several failed attempts to create a union of trade in the latter half of the seventeenth century. And of course, the prospect of the removal of tariff barriers with England (and England’s colonies) was a factor in persuading the Scottish parliament to accept the Act of Union.

*Tariff barriers disappeared under Cromwell’s Commonwealth, but were reinstated following the Restoration.

A Scotsman can be Scottish one minute and the next minute British. If a Scotsman is snearing at British values then he’s probably more likely to use “they’re” than “we’re”. Whether the writers of this show knew this I don’t know, but it’s not entirely out of the question that a Scotsman would make such a distinction.

I haven’t seen the show, so I don’t know. But is it clearly shown that this character is Scottish and not Irish? Because if the character were Irish, this piece of dialogue would make perfect sense.

Yes,it references the 1960’s and it was still a steriotype of a ships engineer in the 1960s – although perhaps few American ships would have ever had Scottish engineers.

I should imagine they did, from the birth of Steam Scots engineers were regarded highly — in part no doubt due to their traditionally excellent education system — and they certainly got around, so if one needed an engineer and a Scot was ready to hand, it would be silly not to hire him.

Bravo. I hate seeing that senseless usage here, it really does tarnish the board by its presence.