# Scott Adams: Men's Rights Activists are Pussies **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 24, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081 "2013-10-24T02:41:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/41 "2013-10-24T22:57:05Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > I think what he’s referring to is the practical reality of it: as a general rule courts won’t look into “who did what to whom & whose fault is it?” Because then every case would take approximately 458,153,298 hours to resolve. Of course, if you have the money for it, you can do it that way. But most people don’t. There ARE cases where it’s not going to take 458,153,298 hours to resolve. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/42 "2013-10-25T08:45:48Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > I wouldn’t be so sure of this. > > [Both male and female hirers give lower starting salary to woman than to identical man in study.](http://boingboing.net/2012/09/24/you-might-be-discriminating-ag.html) That was in a male dominated field, one of the few that currently exist. There is a bias in favour of men in male-dominated fields, and in favour of women in female dominated fields. On the whole, women don’t get paid less for the same work. > [@](#): > > [Unemployed black woman pretends to be white, job offers skyrocket.](http://www.techyville.com/2012/11/news/unemployed-black-woman-pretends-to-be-white-job-offers-suddenly-skyrocket/) There is certainly a lot of racial bias, yes. Being a black man is the worst thing to be in society, and being a white woman the best. > [@](#): > > [Man named “Kim” specifies that he’s a man on resume, job offers come rolling in.](http://whatwouldkingleonidasdo.tumblr.com/post/54989171152/how-i-discovered-gender-discrimination) > > There’s a lot more in play than “Woman just don’t work as hard or work as good jobs”. I’m sorry, are you saying “Kim” is a female name? Perhaps you’d like to tell Kim Philby, Britain’s greatest ever spy, that? Or the eponymous Kim from Rudyard Kipling’s novel “Kim”, Kipling being the manliest author is human history? Or Kim Coates, the Canadian celerity and beard-wearer? In any case, I refer you to the 2006 study in London by Riach & Rich, which showed that identical CVs with different names sent out were far more likely to result in an interview being given when the name was female, in a variety of female-dominated and gender-neutral occupations, with a small bias in favour of men in the male dominated occupation surveyed. There was a followup study in Australia in female-dominated industries showing the same thing, and another in Israel. And women might work as hard, but not as long. Men in full time occupation average a higher number of hours. Men don’t do more “good jobs”, but more better paid jobs. Men are more likely to do dangerous and unpleasant jobs, and more likely to form and join unions to agitate for better wages. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/43 "2013-10-25T09:20:10Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Or maybe this is a false equivalence. > > There is no benefit for female circumcision. None at all. Unless you think that destroying the nerves that allow women to have sexual pleasure is a benefit. Whereas there are indications that male circumcision does have medical benefits. > > If male circumcision involved cutting the head of the penis off, it would be a lot more like female circumcision. But it doesn’t involve that. Except part of the penis is cut off, and it’s roughly equivalent to the least extreme forms of female circumcision. On the whole female circumcision is much worse, but then cutting someone’s arm off is worse than cutting off their thumb, that doesn’t mean complaining about babies having their thumbs cut off without anaesthetic would make you a “whining pussy”. The benefits of male circumcision are controversial at best, and may be replicated in victims of female circumcision, but they’re not worth torturing new borns over. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/44 "2013-10-25T10:13:14Z")
One comment that sets my teeth on edge is anyone telling a little boy that boys (or men) don’t cry. Why shouldn’t they cry? It’s just the display of honest human emotions. Further, crying releases tension and is good for the mind and body. I don’t think of a man as being “less manly” when his tears are come easily. Who knows? Maybe men would live longer if they dealt with their feelings honestly. Our neighborhood kids made it to the final rounds of the Little League World Series this year. When they finally lost, I don’t think there was a dry eye on the team or in the eyes of their parents. I also think that men and women both should be considered for child custody. There are many, many men who would make the more nurturing parent. And if I get to a door first, I open it for the next person – male or female. The world doesn’t fall down. And I’m not surprised when I see it. Why should women pretend that they don’t have the strength to open a door? Be natural; be real; stop _playing_ roles. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/45 "2013-10-25T14:30:00Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > I also think that men and women both should be considered for child custody. There are many, many men who would make the more nurturing parent. This is not nearly as bad as it’s portrayed, and actually, [if anything men seem to be favored, overall.](http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2012/04/child_supportcu.html) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/46 "2013-10-25T16:29:24Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > This is not nearly as bad as it’s portrayed, and actually, [if anything men seem to be favored, overall.](http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2012/04/child_supportcu.html) The thing is, if a woman has custody, that’s just the way it is. If a man has custody, there’s a reason, and usually a very good one. Judges can totally see through things like guys who want custody so they can use the kids as a chick magnet, or so they don’t have to pay child support (never mind that it’s almost impossible to make a profit by having custody of your kids). They can also see through women who make false accusations of abuse against fathers, and doing so is a guaranteed way to lose custody themselves, especially if the kids say it never happened. Honestly, how many men really WANT to be responsible for the kids 24/7/365, and why do you think so many divorced fathers got that way in the first place? Think about it. I’ve actually known several men who said they planned to treat their wives poorly after the kids arrived so they would be a divorced dad - i.e. all the fun and none of the responsibility. (grabs flameproof suit) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/47 "2013-10-25T16:59:55Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > The thing is, if a woman has custody, that’s just the way it is. If a man has custody, there’s a reason, and usually a very good one. Sure. [They ask for it.](http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/Massachusetts_Gender_Bias_Study.htm) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/48 "2013-10-25T17:47:25Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Sure. [They ask for it.](http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/Massachusetts_Gender_Bias_Study.htm) Do you have a link more recent than 1990? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/49 "2013-10-25T18:49:10Z")
There is one inequality I feel compelled to accept, and that is reproductive freedom. I firmly believe that a woman has sole custody of her own body, and is therefore empowered to decide whether or not to carry a baby to term. A prospective father has every right to cajole, persuade and implore for the sake of a prospective child he has every right to consider his. But that’s all. If she decides otherwise, that’s it. And no, that is not fair. Behold, the toughness of the noogies. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/50 "2013-10-25T19:03:01Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > There ARE cases where it’s not going to take 458,153,298 hours to resolve. You mean cases where it’s totally one side’s fault and not the other’s? ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/51 "2013-10-25T19:08:43Z")
Wow, I’d heard Scott Adams was a dickhead but I didn’t realize he was a supreme blue ribbon dickhead. Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/52 "2013-10-25T19:20:20Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > This is not nearly as bad as it’s portrayed, and actually, [if anything men seem to be favored, overall.](http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2012/04/child_supportcu.html) If men are disenfranchised by the legal system’s bias against them, the amount of men that keep at it doesn’t tell the whole story. My mother practices family law and primarily defends men in divorce and custody battles, and it’s absolutely ridiculous some of the stories of decent guys who cannot get custody for the stupidest of reasons. One vindictive wife falsely accused her husband of molesting the children, and he spent many thousands of dollars for examinations and evaluations including a probe up his urethra to prove that he was not aroused by children. If he had not pursued custody through this humiliation, he would show up as “not asking for custody” on the study. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/53 "2013-10-25T20:06:39Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > This is not nearly as bad as it’s portrayed, and actually, [if anything men seem to be favored, overall.](http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2012/04/child_supportcu.html) Well, the linked page says > [@](#): > > Fact: Though it is true that women are far more likely to be awarded custody… And then goes on to talk about cases where fathers went to court to keep the mothers away from the children. What the blogger doesn’t say, or doesn’t know, is that most divorces are settled out of court: the parties eventually come to an agreement. Looking at cases where fathers went to court to keep the moms away, without looking at the reasons they may have done that, and trying to draw some sort of conclusions from it seems sort of silly. Looking at cases where moms went to court to keep dads away might be an apt comparison. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/54 "2013-10-25T20:49:01Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Do you have a link more recent than 1990? I was about to do a bunch of research but then I found that [someone already did it for me](http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2012/04/child_supportcu.html): > [@](#): > > If you’re trying to decide whether the _courts_ are biased, you have to look at how many Dads even _ask_ for custody and the disposition of those contested cases. In the Mass study cited above (I went back last night and tightened up the wording to make it more clear) we have: > > 1. A study of 2100 cases where the father asked for custody. 29% got sole and 65% got joint. What we don’t know here is who was the primary caretaker before the divorce. If all these men were the primary caretaker, then arguably this should be closer to 50% sole custody, all other things being equal(!). But we don’t know. > > 2. Two studies, with 700 and 500 cases, where about 8% of dads asked for custody. Results strikingly similar, but I tend to wonder whether the first stat (67%) represents only sole custody? The same sizes aren’t large here, so a few cases would have a tremendous impact on the percentages. > > 3. LA County - not much info. > > 4. National study, appellate courts. Not sure what sample size is here but it has to be a subset of Dads who originally asked for custody and persisted to the appellate level. Still, it shows something important: if you’re willing to fight, your chances of winning aren’t bad. > > Here are several references to the 50% number: > > [More Fathers Are Getting Custody in Divorce - The New York Times](http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/more-fathers-getting-custody-in-divorce/) > > [http://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/2010/Jan/59218.html](http://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/2010/Jan/59218.html) > > [http://www.menslegal.com/blog/entry/statistics-reveal-that-50-percent-of-fathers-who-seek-primary-custody-are-successful.html](http://www.menslegal.com/blog/entry/statistics-reveal-that-50-percent-of-fathers-who-seek-primary-custody-are-successful.html) > > [Farewell and Thank You | Seramount](http://www.workingmother.com/special-reports/custody-lost) > > This is the most detailed link: > > [http://homepages.uwp.edu/martinm0/child\_custody\_issues.htm](http://homepages.uwp.edu/martinm0/child_custody_issues.htm) > > Statistics showing that women gain custody of their children 90% of the time reflect the fact that over the past 50 years, fathers rarely asked for custody. A study of Utah custody decisions between 1970-1993 shows that only 13% of fathers requested custody (Mason and Quirk 1997: 217). > > When fathers do contest custody, studies show they win anywhere from 50 to 75 percent of the time. Maccoby and Mnookin studied 930 divorce cases in California in the 1980’s and found that only 14 of these ended up before a judge. But of those cases, fathers won custody 50% of the time (Maccoby & Mnookin 1992). > > Weitzman and Dixon found that in Los Angeles County alone in the 1970’s, fathers gained custody 63% of the time (Weitzman and Dixon 1986). > > A study by the Massachusetts State Supreme Court Taskforce on Gender found that fathers who contest custody in Massachusetts win sole or joint physical custody more than 70% of the time (Jacobs, 1997:11). > > Another study in Minneapolis found fathers winning custody in 45% of the contested cases (Polikoff, 1993:11). > > All told, I looked at over 50 sources for this post. Most I ruled out, but that’s a fair amount of research for a simple blog post. ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/55 "2013-10-25T21:11:52Z")
[here’s](http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-225.pdf) a 2002 U.S. census report on who was awarded custody from 1994-2002 that involved 13.4 million parents and 21.5 million children, mother’s appears to be awarded custody about 85% of the time. Women also appear to be the party filing for divorce [2/3](http://www.pobronson.com/blog/2006/07/will-this-marriage-last-who-wants-out.html) of the time. I understand just because it’s the woman filing divorce that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the man who initiated or wanted it in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/56 "2013-10-25T21:18:21Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > [here’s](http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-225.pdf) a 2002 U.S. census report on who was awarded custody from 1994-2002 that involved 13.4 million parents and 21.5 million children, mother’s appears to be awarded custody about 85% of the time. This document says nothing about who is “awarded” custody. It only lists who has custody, not how they got it. The only things awarded in your cite is child support, not custody. If the issue is a perceived bias in how the courts divvy up custody of kids, the cite should reflect this. A vast number of custody issues never make it to the courts and a majority of those that do are agreed upon. If you want to look into a bias in court rulings, you can only look at cases where a court ruled. It seems that men have a 50/50 shot to win in those cases. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/57 "2013-10-25T23:02:59Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > If men are disenfranchised by the legal system’s bias against them, the amount of men that keep at it doesn’t tell the whole story. My mother practices family law and primarily defends men in divorce and custody battles, and it’s absolutely ridiculous some of the stories of decent guys who cannot get custody for the stupidest of reasons. One vindictive wife falsely accused her husband of molesting the children, and he spent many thousands of dollars for examinations and evaluations including a probe up his urethra to prove that he was not aroused by children. If he had not pursued custody through this humiliation, he would show up as “not asking for custody” on the study. Whoa. Around here, doing that would cost HER custody, and possibly unsupervised visitation rights as well. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/58 "2013-10-26T04:30:33Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I was about to do a bunch of research but then I found that [someone already did it for me](http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2012/04/child_supportcu.html): Right, but the point is that to reach the stage where a dad is fighting for full custody, there is some reason behind it. Lawyers’ fees alone will add up to tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. To say men are getting their “fair share” (whatever that means) of custody by looking at cases where mom is a crackhead isn’t really telling you anything. Also, “requesting custody” and having a contested trial are not the same thing. One is saying, “I’d really like to see my kids as much as possible” during the negotiations that ultimately lead to some agreement. The other is spending many thousands of dollars (dollars many couples don’t have) so that a judge or jury can make the decision for them. It could be that some men just don’t want to see their kids that much, or it could be that dads’ lawyers are telling them, “Look, the judge is going to give primary custody to mom unless she’s a crackhead, so unless you want to pay me thousands of more dollars to reach the same result, you might as well sign it as it is.” I don’t know which is the case, but looking at cases where (for example) mom’s an alcoholic doesn’t tell you anything about what judges are likely to do in a run of the mill case, ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/59 "2013-10-26T07:24:31Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Sure. [They ask for it.](http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/Massachusetts_Gender_Bias_Study.htm) [http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC\_GBC\_analysis\_intro.php](http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GBC_analysis_intro.php) > [@](#): > > On June 23, 1989, an article on the front-page of the Boston Globe announced that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court had just released their report on a study they had commissioned on gender bias in the court system. In that same day’s edition, columnist Bella English wrote, “In fact, the study found that when fathers seek custody, they obtain either primary or joint physical custody over 70 percent of the time.” The obvious implication here is that if fathers seldom get custody, it’s their own fault for not caring enough about their kids to fight for them. > … > It took a number of phone calls for me to locate the researcher whose study the SJC cited in support of their 70% claim. But I was eventually able to speak with her, and she told me that her data do not demonstrate court bias, and her research was never even designed to address the question. She also was kind enough to mail me a copy of her own published article on her study. > > Based on that, I did my own analysis and found that the very same data cited by the SJC as evidence of court bias against mothers also shows that \*\*\*when mothers sought sole custody, the court granted the request at a rate 65% higher than it did when fathers made the same request. > \*\*\*… > The SJC’s claim regarding court bias in custody cases appears less like objective research than like an exercise in manipulating numbers to sound like they prove anti-woman bias. But it has been effective nonetheless. For the last decade and an half, it has been repeated in newspapers all across the U.S. and Canada, cited in Ann Landers’ column, stated as fact in the National Center on Poverty Law’s manual for lawyers. And it gets trotted out whenever anyone proposes that any state adopt a presumption in favor of joint custody. I invite you to retract your claim. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081/60 "2013-10-26T07:26:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > There is one inequality I feel compelled to accept, and that is reproductive freedom. I firmly believe that a woman has sole custody of her own body, and is therefore empowered to decide whether or not to carry a baby to term. A prospective father has every right to cajole, persuade and implore for the sake of a prospective child he has every right to consider his. But that’s all. If she decides otherwise, that’s it. > > And no, that is not fair. Behold, the toughness of the noogies. Of course a father should have no right to force a woman to have an abortion. Maybe if the father was raped, but otherwise certainly not. Similarly, a mother should have no right to compel a man to pay for her choices through the child support system. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-adams-mens-rights-activists-are-pussies/672081.md?page=4)