# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2005, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/201 "2005-07-04T23:59:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Hey! Can we get a few more posters to get on this wagon? I’m just, going to wait here, on the sidelines, for Scott to go, into GD, and ask the posters if they, think he listens, to boy bands. You know, to clarify, their positrons. I mean, positions. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/202 "2005-07-05T00:43:55Z")
Wow, getting back from that thread in which he argued with **Bricker** - wow . . . :: shakes his head :: He _really_ seemed to think he was doing well in that debate. And yet, he clearly didn’t understand a word of the (very clearly stated) questions that **Bricker** was asking. I’m not sure what could be done here - **Scott Plaid** seemed to be trying, but he failed. Over and over. And he has so little insight that he actually thinks he refuted **Bricker** ’s points, which makes it doubly sad. BTW, **Scott Plaid** , and not to be insulting but in the interests of being able to discuss things with you in the future: do you have some difficulty with reading or writing? Or are you of limited English proficiency? Because you posted stuff like this: > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Are you reading the same post I am reading? It was almost on the level of hyperboal, but was also a statement of fact. Not only is every point in favor of jesus being the jewish savior false, (i.e. NOTHING) but just from reading the book of Isiah alone, (as per your examples of "things that support jsus in the ot) a person would conclude that jesus is not the one jewish people are looking for, if they ever thought to look around for a savior.Simply nowhere for a “mesianic jew” to hang their hat. It’s not even just the spelling - you didn’t manage to capitalize properly, you omit spaces, you seem to struggle with punctuation. Is this a matter of typing too fast and not checking? Because you _seriously_ need to take the time to do it properly. It makes it hard to read your posts, and frankly, it makes you look bad in comparison to most folks here, who post clear, readable posts. Do you have particular difficulties with this? This kind of thing couldn’t possibly be acceptable to an English teacher; do you simply not take the care you should with your posts here, or do you have some sort of impairment in your writing? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/203 "2005-07-05T00:53:25Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Have fun, you guys. If you really want me to ref, let me know, and I’ll do the best I can. Yes, I really would love it if you were to referee, if that isn’t too much of a hassle. > [@John Mace](#): > > Oh, one other thing. May I suggest that both of you guys change your signature for a week to reflect that you’re only asking questions? That will help avoid the problems of people being confused if they ask you a question, but get no response. Good idea. Saying, “Sorry, but I promised to not make statements this week, in GD.” every time someone asks will get tiring. Previously, my sig line was as follows: > [@me](#): > > I am _ **destined** _ to wield the Sword of Pixelius. [Deathmachine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6047513&postcount=42) is my mortal enemy! P.S. Someone on a certain board compared people voicing their complaints again me to have my ass kicked. What a stupid analogy. They also claimed it would happen if I were to set foot in this thread, tonight. Their exact words were “You’re such a pathetic little sphincter. I can’t wait to see the spanking you’ll take tonight if you dare to show your face in the Pit.” Shayeah right. Whatever. :rolleyes: Well you cowardly little shit, I don’t give a damn. Pit me all you like, here, or anywhere else. It matters to me not a whit. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/204 "2005-07-05T01:08:47Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > P.S. Someone on a certain board compared people voicing their complaints again me to have my ass kicked. What a stupid analogy. > > They also claimed it would happen if I were to set foot in this thread, tonight. Their exact words were “You’re such a pathetic little sphincter. I can’t wait to see the spanking you’ll take tonight if you dare to show your face in the Pit.” Shayeah right. Whatever. :rolleyes: Well you cowardly little shit, I don’t give a damn. Pit me all you like, here, or anywhere else. It matters to me not a whit. Dude, if you’re bringing up something that someone said on an anon board, and I’m guessing you are, knock it off. If you want to have a fight with those people, do it over there. Don’t try to start that over here. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/205 "2005-07-05T01:26:41Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Dude, if you’re bringing up something that someone said on an anon board, and I’m guessing you are, knock it off. If you want to have a fight with those people, do it over there. Don’t try to start that over here. Quoted for truth. There’s one good response, and one only, to folks being tweakers on lamprey-boards: make your email address nonpublic. There is zero reason ever to visit said boards, and far less than zero reason to post here in response to whatever’s said there. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/206 "2005-07-05T01:49:39Z")
Heed the words of **Excalibre** and **Left Hand of Dorkness** : leaving non-SDMB feuds off the SDMB is not just good manners and good sense–it is our rule. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/207 "2005-07-05T01:50:13Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > If you want to have a fight with those people, do it over there. Well, it is more then a “I don’t give a shit about what they say.”, then a “I want to start a fight here.”, but you are right about this. It has been said before, what goes on in other boards, stays in other boards." On the other issues, I don’t see a problem. I didn’t use capital letter in religious titles, or terms. Big fucking deal. You have other problems with my posting style, but I will get to that later. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/208 "2005-07-05T02:00:36Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > You have other problems with my posting style, but I will get to that later. **Scott** , when you get to it, could you include answers to two questions for me? 1. What do you see as the purpose of writing? 2. If you believe that communicating concepts is a primary purpose of writing, do you believe, from the feedback you’ve received here, that your current style of writing is effective at communicating concepts? I ask this because I see you defending your writing a fair bit, as if it’s a matter of right and wrong, as though it’s a question of whether you ought to be allowed to write however you want to write. That seems odd to me. If I cook a meal for folks, and everyone tells me that the soup was gross and tasted burned, I’m not going to say, “Screw you guys! That soup was made with real liquid smoke and was supposed to taste like that!” I’m going to take note of their concerns; conclude that whatever my intentions, the soup was unpleasant (and therefore un-nourishing); and resolve that the next soup I make will be free of such flavors. If I’m cooking for myself, I’ll flavor the soup however I want. If I’m writing for myself, I’ll write however I want. But if I plan to nourish others with my stew or words, it’s important for me to respect their, not my, tastes. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/209 "2005-07-05T02:03:58Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I didn’t use capital letter in religious titles, or terms. Big fucking deal. You have other problems with my posting style, but I will get to that later. You also tend to not capitalize anything you don’t like, such as bush, republicans, etc. This just shows the people you are attempting to debate that you care so little about their positions that you have already dismissed them. Respect the other side and use your argument to sway the debate. Resorting to such petty tactics as refusing to capitalize only shows that you hold nothing but contempt for their position before the debate even starts. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/210 "2005-07-05T02:06:32Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > On the other issues, I don’t see a problem. I didn’t use capital letter in religious titles, or terms. Big fucking deal. You have other problems with my posting style, but I will get to that later. That tells me where the problem lies. Why can you not get through your head that a contributing factor to your incoherence is your poor spelling, your poor grammer, your poor sentence structure? FYI, Jesus is a proper name, and should be capitalized even if you choose to not capitalize other stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/211 "2005-07-05T02:24:36Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > On the other issues, I don’t see a problem. I didn’t use capital letter in religious titles, or terms. Big fucking deal. You have other problems with my posting style, but I will get to that later. Your self-delusion is deeper than I can understand; virtually everyone who is still talking to you is telling you why you are having trouble communicating and most are offering you suggestions on how to improve your skills, and yet _still_ you insist that there is no problem. As far as that other message board thing goes, well, the best thing to do is drop it. Every time you show how much it gets under your skin you feed their egos. Let 'em starve. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/212 "2005-07-05T02:34:31Z")
If you feel sober, but ten people tell you’re drunk… … go lie down. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/213 "2005-07-05T02:38:02Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > … your poor spelling, your poor grammer, your poor sentence structure? **Gaudere** strikes again. At least I didn’t preview. Had I missed that on preview, I’d feel especially silly. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/214 "2005-07-05T03:11:50Z")
I just thought you meant he had a poor impression of Frasier. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/215 "2005-07-05T03:18:05Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Well, it is more then a “I don’t give a shit about what they say.”, **then** a “I want to start a fight here.”, but you are right about this. It has been said before, what goes on in other boards, stays in other boards." Lemme start right here: “then” is a word meaning “at that time” or “coming next” or “as a consequence.” It’s a word about time: “Now I eat candy, then I eat ice cream.” “Than” is a comparison word used to lead up to the second part of an unequal comparison: “I like candy more than ice cream.” You always use “then” when you should be using “than.” This is an amateur mistake and a perfect example of why people here can’t take you seriously. Ditto for the capitalization issue. Both errors are juvenile and indicate either an immature writer or an undereducated one. Is this the impression you want to be giving? If not, I think you’d better wait a while before you post again. Your writing style needs serious work before you will receive the consideration you wish to have. here Your unwillingness to acknowledge or address your writing problems is frustrating. Saying, “I’ll address that later” is a transparent avoidance tactic. > [@](#): > > On the other issues, I don’t see a problem. I didn’t use capital letter in religious titles, or terms. Big fucking deal. You have other problems with my posting style, but I will get to that later. It IS a big deal, because as I said above, it’s a pretty immature way to express your opinions about religion. Give respect to get respect. Your open disdain for other people’s religious beliefs alienates even people who agree with your ideals. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/216 "2005-07-05T03:18:17Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Yes, I really would love it if you were to referee, if that isn’t too much of a hassle. I’ll do my best. BTW, no matter how things turn out, I give you a lot of credit for at least trying. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/217 "2005-07-05T03:57:09Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Well, it is more then a “I don’t give a shit about what they say.”, then a “I want to start a fight here.”, but you are right about this. It has been said before, what goes on in other boards, stays in other boards." Apparently it did bother you. It bothered you enough that you decided to start whining about it here. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > On the other issues, I don’t see a problem. I didn’t use capital letter in religious titles, or terms. Big fucking deal. You have other problems with my posting style, but I will get to that later. You didn’t use them in names. You didn’t put spaces after periods. You spelled “Jesus” without the “e”. Here’s another example, since that wasn’t enough. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > 1. > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > So you’re willing to defend your statement as literally true, not just hyperbole? > > Yes, this is the second time I said it. Did you actually read my post before last?2.[\QUOTE]OK: let me ask you this. In order for our hypothetical Jew to reach any conclusion about Jesus being, or not being, the prophesized moshiach, he would have to have two sets of information: (1) what the messanic prophecies are, and (2) what he knows about Jesus. He would then need to compare the two and decide if they match. Yes?[\QUOTE]No. No. There is no reason to believe Jesus was the moshiach. No reason to think he is even in the running. The guy is suppost to come in the future, and once he gets here, jews have a check list of ways to prove he is what he says he is.4.[\QUOTE]Now, you are saying that in that list of comparisons, NOT ONE characteristic could be checked off as a match?[\QUOTE]Youv’e got it, and even if there was one, the fact that he doesn’t match the other disqualifies him.5[\QUOTE]If the answer to that question is ‘yes,’ then I’d ask you what facts about Jesus our hypothetical Jew may accept as true. For example, above you took issue with my claim that Jesus was “well-versed in Jewish law,” and pointed out that we don’t know this; only the Christian bible makes this claim. [\QUOTE]Well, my answer is yes, and as for what a jew can use to accept as claims about about jesus as true, my answer is: A TARDIS (a certan kind of sci-fi time machine)6[\QUOTE]On what sources may our hypothetical Jew rely to build list of Jesus’ characteristics?[\QUOTE]again, a tardis. As there are no trust worthy extra-bibilical (and extra-torah) sorces of jesus’s existance, we can find nothing. (Ugh, more of the moronic little pop-culture tangents.) Remember when you said you preview before you post? Liar. (This passage is unaltered except that I had to change his slashes to back-slashes so my own quote box would enclose the right thing. But yes, he managed to get one quote box in the thing, and the rest of the message was one big paragraph filled with close-quote tags but no opening tags.) When I told you your writing was subpar, that was constructive criticism; I’m willing to cut you some slack, as I said, if you have a learning disability that affects your writing ability. Either way, you need to work harder at it if you wish to compose posts that anyone takes seriously. I’m not sure why you’re trying to claim that your complete incomprehensibility is no big deal - when I’m probably the tenth person to bring it up here - but as I said, it seriously impacts your credibility. You can try to argue it away if you want, but I’m not the only one with this opinion. And most everyone else around here manages to at very least handle basic issues of spelling and capitalization. You’re only making yourself look bad by arguing that point. Read whatever you want into what I say - I can’t exactly stop you - but frankly, your little martyrdom act in this thread is childish even for you. About 90% of the folks posting in this thread have a problem with you - the closest you’ve come to having defenders here are the folks asking you nicely not to post until you can act a little more like an adult. The rest of us aren’t so forgiving. But every time you try to dodge someone’s criticism on the basis of some prior conflict, stop and think. If someone doesn’t like you, it’s not a random event. If many, many people have a problem with the way you post, it’s not the result of random chance. It’s because of the way _you_ act. If the way _you_ acted in the past means people aren’t taking you seriously in the present, you’d be better off taking their advice and trying to modify your own behavior. You’ve played this martyr bullshit before. You certainly do it a lot with me. In fact, the first time you whined at me that I was only disagreeing because I hated you (when, in actuality, it was because you were claiming something that was completely false. No, I don’t remember which individual instance it was anymore. They’ve all begun to blur together in my mind) it was before I even recognized your username - from your very first posts here, you have used this whining tactic as a way of avoiding people’s calls to account. Look for whatever excuse you like, but people don’t have a problem with you because we drew your name out of a hat at a secret meeting of the SDMB Haters’ Cabal. Every single criticism here is the result of someone who is displeased, irritated, or disgusted with your behavior. In my case, disgusted, because of your continual tendency to make shit up when arguing about religion. I suppose you’re probably not reading this, unless by some miracle your reading ability is much, much better than your writing. But in case you are: like I said, I didn’t decide I don’t like you on the basis of random chance. I don’t flip a coin with every new name I see. I decided that I don’t like you because you spout bullshit and claim some kind of expertise in matters of religion. I decided I don’t like you _based on your behavior._ Someone with a clearer grasp of logic would realize something, **Scott**. When one person doesn’t like you, it’s them. When two people don’t like you, it’s chance. But when the whole damn roomful doesn’t like you, it’s the result of your own behavior. So every time you whine about how people only disagree because they dislike you, remember this: you have done something in the past to make each one of those people dislike you. Issue as many proclamations as you like that you don’t care what anybody thinks, but opinions about you are pretty near as uniform as I’ve ever seen in a pitting. It’s time for you to actually engage in some evaluation of yourself and stop making excuses for all the things you do that piss everyone off. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/218 "2005-07-05T03:59:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If you feel sober, but ten people tell you’re drunk… > > … go lie down. See? See why I don’t have a post count like some of you crazy mofos? Because what **Bricker** expresses in one pithy little aphorism, I need like eight paragraphs to do. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/219 "2005-07-05T05:59:37Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > Scott’s going to be the one who needs to bring the lunch. **Shodan** and **Bricker** are gonna eat his. No, no, no. The two lunches are for **Bricker** and **Shodan** so they don’t take **Scott** ’s. With the withering ass-handing that would follow I’d hate to see **Scott** bow out through fainting from low blood sugar. Because that would just be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/220 "2005-07-05T07:50:00Z")
> [@Eureka](#): > > **Sage Rat** , > I am having difficulty determining who the “you” in post 171 is. I assume that it is **Scott Plaid** - but only because it makes more sense when I read it that way than the way I first did. (I first read it with **LHOD** as the you, since you were responding to comments by him, but it just didn’t make sense.) Still, I encourage you to clarify the matter. Apologies, I quoted LHOD as it had reminded me about Bricker’s treatment. The text itself was intended for Scott (“you.”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=12)