# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/241 "2005-07-05T14:45:44Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Also, I have said this before, (Even before this bet) and I will say this again. I am reviewing old threads, and I intend to change my posting style. Putting a Mercedes hood ornament on a Yugo does not a Mercedes make. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/242 "2005-07-05T14:54:47Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > He was a really nice guy. He knew what he was doing. Also, I have said this before, (Even before this bet) and I will say this again. I am reviewing old threads, and I intend to change my posting style. I appreciate that, and hope folks will give you the space to do so. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/243 "2005-07-05T14:55:28Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > He was a really nice guy. He knew what he was doing. Also, I have said this before, (Even before this bet) and I will say this again. I am reviewing old threads, and I intend to change my posting style. Your goal should be to learn to write well. A change in the way you post will naturally follow. I believe that in order to write well one must be able to think well; and, furthermore, that the discipline of learning to write will make one a better thinker. Now, it is entirely possible that you have a brilliant mind and are hampered in your communication by some kind of wiring snafu in your brain. It would not be the default hypothesis, however. You have said over and over that you have a mindless job that makes no demands upon your time. You would be very well served by enrolling in a basic writing class in a community college, and using your free time to \*\*do the work \*\* required to become an effective writer. And it is work. If you see someone on these boards whose style is clear and open, who communicates well and makes it seem easy, then I guarantee that person has spent long, hard hours practicing the craft in one way or another. Other posters have mentioned respect. I have mentioned respect. Respect yourself and make yourself a better thinker. But above all, respect the people here who have taken the time to try and help you, and who deserve better than your half-witted, dashed off ramblings. Read what **Lefty** said, and what **Rubystreak** said; and yes, what **Bricker** said. I suspect I would disagree with him more often than not, but he keeps himself above the fray and puts his efforts into persuasion and reason. You could learn a lot fron him. A worthy opponent is a valuable asset, and hard to find. Sycophantic yes-men are a dime a dozen, and therefore valueless. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/244 "2005-07-05T14:56:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Less than one tenth. > \ At the time this message is posted: **Maus Magill** - 1220 **Scott Plaid** - 3477 **Finn** , you suck at math. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/245 "2005-07-05T15:04:03Z")
:smack: Dā€™oh! I thought by post count **Maus** meant, like, posts per day. Then again Iā€™m going on about two hours sleep. I will properly flagelate myself later šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/246 "2005-07-05T15:14:32Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > {bolding added} Heh. Am I the only one amused by this? Nope, no the only one. His posts often raise a fever in me too. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/247 "2005-07-05T15:21:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I will properly flagelate myself later šŸ˜ƒ Take pictures, OK? I want to put them in the folder with the ones [of you going down.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6331115&postcount=16) Shit, Iā€™m spending way too much time in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/248 "2005-07-05T16:00:59Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I am reviewing old threads, and I intend to change my posting style. Not trying too hard, though, are you? [Like here,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324089) even after several gay and gay-friendly dopers point out to you that a wedding ring isnā€™t necessarily a ā€œhetero flagā€, you post a [dismissive fuckhead comment](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6332026&postcount=31) instead of just admitting you might have been wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/249 "2005-07-05T16:31:41Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Hey! Can we get a few more posters to get on this wagon? > > Iā€™ve got this little list right hereā€¦ Can somebody tell me whatā€™s going on? Iā€™ve gotten 37 e-mails in the past 18 hours ā€“ in fact, 12 of those e-mails came from mods. All of them are telling me that thereā€™s a movement afoot to have me post nothing but questions on the boards for, like, a year. None of my pithy, witty, factual answers; none of my amusing yet poignant stories; none of my incredibly apropos throwaway lines that enlighten (and in some cases, define) a thread. Whatā€™s the deal? Canā€™t you people see how this board would _ **DIE** _ if I stopped posting all that stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/250 "2005-07-05T16:40:57Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > Can somebody tell me whatā€™s going on? Iā€™ve gotten 37 e-mails in the past 18 hours ā€“ in fact, 12 of those e-mails came from mods. Well, thatā€™s what you get for not starting a thread in ATMB letting them know you wonā€™t be able to access email for 18 hours. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/251 "2005-07-05T17:12:33Z")
> [@Scott](#): > > > [@glee](#): > > > > Scott, I asked ā€˜why do you take my attempt to help you with better expressed posting as a Pitting?ā€™. > > Because, the parts of your post I quoted were insulting enough to piss me off. Sure, you might be a teacher, but so what? So am I. Baltimore Public Summer school, teaching third graders, as part of a program to have college students teach. Two years running. TeachBaltimore program. To this day, I still get to go to the Science Center for free, due to my Teacher I.D. card. Anyway, my point is, if you want to offer advice, donā€™t follow it with, say for example, exactly what you just said. Scott, Indeed I am a teacher. British Telecommunications Computer Training School, teaching graduates computer programming. Seven years running. First ever full-time chess teacher in a UK School, organising and running all chess activities, including local and national press and TV publicity. Fifteen years running. National newspaper chess columnist. Rubystreak already covered most of what I wanted to say on your use of English, but hereā€™s a useful way to judge if you are ā€˜winningā€™ a debate: - see what other posters say about you > [@Contrapuntal](#): > > **Scott** ā€“ **glee** has a lot to teach you if you will simply listen with an open mind. He (I assume the male gender) is quite brilliant, really. It would be a mistake to dismiss his help cavalierly. P.S. Thanks, Contrapuntal! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/252 "2005-07-05T17:18:59Z")
> [@Scott Plaid in response to andros](#): > > I think you are an atheist. This is due to the fact that I do not always judge people based on how they say things, but on their actual words, and as I seem to recall, you have stated that you are an atheist. Then again, it might have been another poster whoā€™s name begins with the letter ā€œaā€. And politically? Close enough on the religious side. I consider myself a religious humanist, actually, and agnostic. I only wondered because it seems you might have assumed, on the basis of my occasional disagreements with you, that I must be your opposite. That is to say, Iā€™ve gotten the impression that you classify me among the religious and among the right-wing. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/253 "2005-07-05T19:01:50Z")
Iā€™ve lurked on these boards for a year or so, thanks to Threadspotting. Iā€™ve read several long pittings and meltdowns. Iā€™ve seen something happen in some of those threads that is also happening in this one, and it impresses me. Here we have Scott, who has pissed off nearly everyone, and whose writing ranges from simply juvenile to incoherent. While heā€™s being righteously pitted, many of you are giving him what I view as kind advice concerning his writing, posting frequency and other things. Pretty nice for a pitting. Bravo. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/254 "2005-07-05T19:06:57Z")
I think it is mostly due to the quality of the board. However, had I not stated my intent to change my posting style in my first post in this thread, I think the tone would have been different. ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/255 "2005-07-05T20:13:07Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I think it is mostly due to the quality of the board. However, had I not stated my intent to change my posting style in my first post in this thread, I think the tone would have been different. Donā€™t give yourself too much credit. I think if you go back to some of your earlier threads, youā€™ll find folks giving you helpful advice long before your turning-over-a-new-leaf declaration. You simply failed to recognize it as such. I suspect a lot of people noted your, um, ā€œenthusiasmā€ for posting in your early days, assumed you were younger than the average poster, and decided to help you along in the hope of ferreting out some meaning from your meandering posts. In essence, the advice is always the same: slow down; read; write; _edit_. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/256 "2005-07-05T20:16:23Z")
> [@Genghis Bob](#): > > Donā€™t give yourself too much credit. I think if you go back to some of your earlier threads, youā€™ll find folks giving you helpful advice long before your turning-over-a-new-leaf declaration. You simply failed to recognize it as such. No, I recognized it. Due to the advice, I took a two week break from posting (very much) in GD, a few weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/257 "2005-07-05T21:10:12Z")
> [@zut](#): > > Depends. If weā€™re talking about a godless liberal hippie, then itā€™s certainly punishment enough. If weā€™re talking a God-fearinā€™ pro-business Red-stater, then Scottā€™s probably the best investment of fifteen bucks ever. If I had known Scott needed his subscription paid, Iā€™d have done it. And you may draw from that whatever inference you pleaseā€¦ šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/258 "2005-07-05T21:19:43Z")
Well, the inference I draw is that you see me as someone easily defeated. However, [Should we support the mutant registration act?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=322160) puts the lie to that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/259 "2005-07-05T21:25:24Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Well, the inference I draw is that you see me as someone easily defeated. > > However, [Should we support the mutant registration act?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=322160) puts the lie to that. Uhā€¦no it doesnā€™t. On the contrary, it supports exactly what heā€™s said. Once again, youā€™re a very poor judge of whoā€™s won a debate, especially when youā€™re a party to the debate. As I read it, the closest you came to winning anything was in slipping a Godwin reference past **Bricker** in a juvenile and unhelpful fashion. That does not constitute a great debate victory. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2005, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/260 "2005-07-05T21:37:05Z")
I disagree. Last time I looked, he was still proposing a list. However, he has not shown my case to be false. I claimed earlier in the thread, that the existence of such a list would enable law makers to later prove that the government recognizes mutants are dangerous. He has posted no refutation of this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=14)