# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/301 "2005-07-06T11:56:41Z")
What’s this all about? Anyone? Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/302 "2005-07-06T12:06:37Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > What’s this all about? Anyone? Anyone? Do you mean the whole thread, or the previous enigmatic post? ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/303 "2005-07-06T12:36:01Z")
I take **Malacandra** ’s post to mean that **Scott** is getting a new asshole ripped in this thread; said new asshole is being delivered; the delivery person wants **Scott** to sign for it. **Scott** of course isn’t going to sign for it. He still thinks that everyone \*else \*is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/304 "2005-07-06T12:38:38Z")
Thanks. Now I’m laughing and feeling a little stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/305 "2005-07-06T12:42:08Z")
It is _possible_ that **Scott Plaid** is getting a new asshole ripped. The rest, I think, is a modal ontological proof, and I defer to the acknowledged expert on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/306 "2005-07-06T12:42:56Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > What’s this all about? Anyone? Anyone? An effect to get me to A: Stop Posting, or B: Stop posting temporarily, but then resume posting at a later date, after I have improved my writing. Neither part has entirely succeeded . Why? Well: A number of posters have offered me some very good advice. Others have pissed me off. Problem is, some are of only one group, and others are of both groups. While I detest some of the comments offered by many posters, I appreciate the good advice offered by others. (No, I am not saying who is who.) The end result has been that I will attempt to improve my writing style, off the board, for the next long while. I will also change my behavior in GD, till next week, and maybe beyond that. There is a downside, however, in the eyes of many. I believe I was right to post most of my earlier statements, and so, contrary to the advice of many, I will defend my past statements on this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/307 "2005-07-06T12:49:36Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > . . . **Scott** of course isn’t going to sign for it. He still thinks that everyone \*else \*is wrong. It’s worse than that; he thinks he’s ahead _on points_. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/308 "2005-07-06T12:58:20Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > A number of posters have offered me some very good advice. Others have pissed me off. Problem is, some are of only one group, and others are of both groups. While I detest some of the comments offered by many posters, I appreciate the good advice offered by others. (No, I am not saying who is who.) Since you don’t listen to any of the good advice anyway, I say we start concentrating on pissing you off. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/309 "2005-07-06T13:03:43Z")
Okay, I’ll offer up myself as a guinea pig. I felt that I (and others) made some decent points in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=309184), which discusses membership in a group and individual responsibility for the group’s behavior. My primary debating opponent in this thread was **Scott Plaid**. By the end of the thread, I had completely lost track of what he was trying to say. The thread spun into a debate on Christianity, morals, and possibly the equating of turtles and fish. I’m not sure. Anybody want to comment on the debate? (Warning: the thread linked is a three-pager from GD.) I’m perfectly willing to admit I didn’t represent my views well at all, but I’m interested in a reasonably objective review. I don’t spend a lot of time in GD, so I don’t know how to score these things. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/310 "2005-07-06T13:06:32Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > It seems that you’re posting there to win, to score points, to prove how right you are and how wrong the other guy is. This assumes that you know all there is to know and are completely right, so your only task in the debate is to prove your points and defeat your opponent. Yes, that’s part of debate, but maybe not the best part. The best part about debate and about the SDMB in general, is how much you can learn from people with whom you disagree. Your mind has to be open to the possibility that you don’t know everything and that you can learn from your opponents, maybe even change your mind . I agree with Rubystreak. I’m amazed at Scott’s concept of winning, without even considering his remarkably skewed view of what debating points he may have scored. Suppose I have a position or belief which I put forth in GD. Suppose further that some folks with a different position engage me in debate and factually or logically refute some or all of my support for that position. So now I have more information, a sounder position on some subject, and have had the pleasure of a reasonable discussion with intelligent, thoughtful people. How can I be construed to have lost anything? Seems like everyone wins in an exchange like that. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/311 "2005-07-06T13:08:32Z")
Ah, I have it. Scott is from Bizarro World. There, winning am losing. In fact, he may be Bizarro Bricker #1. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/312 "2005-07-06T13:14:54Z")
I think that’s unnecessarily insulting to **Bricker.** ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/313 "2005-07-06T13:22:18Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > I think that’s unnecessarily insulting to **Bricker.** But see, he’d be Bricker’s opposite in almost every way. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/314 "2005-07-06T13:25:47Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > To my knowledge, Bricker did not refute those points. Not that any of this helps Scott Plaid much. I just don’t want this to turn into to much of a Bricker appreciation thread. 🙂 Not that it helps me? I think you are forgetting. In post 74, I said > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I can think of one example of when a **go** vernment got ahold of information about who wasn’t and who was part of a group, and used it to **d** iscorage a certain kind of behavior. Ho **w** ever, that is l **i** kely to lead dow **n** a long and twisted path. Anyone else have any examples? You yourself then answered my question two posts later with the example of internment camps. True, you are likely to have come up with that on your own, but your post was worded in response to mine. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > Well, a better example using America would be the relocation camps of asians because they could be traitors and saboteurs. At the time, I’m sure it seemed like a reasonable idea. Right now, listing people because of a bad gene or two seems like a reasonable idea. If they become dangerous, who knows what will seem like a good idea.,\ Just to go back a moment, > [@wiki](#): > > On June 28, 1940 the Alien Registration Act of 1940 (or Smith Act) is passed, Section 31 required the registration and fingerprinting of aliens above the age of 14, Section 35 required reports of change of address within 5 days. Registered aliens are to get back their Green Cards, after form processing. Within 4 months 4,741,971 registered at post offices around the country. Of the 1.1 million aliens above the age of 14 who would be classed as enemy aliens, 683,259 were males of which 56,332 were Japanese. So basically, Myself, and many others have shown that registration is dangerous, and based on past experience, likely to lead to round-ups. It has also been show on the thread that there is no reason to believe that just because there are a few mutant terrorists in the world, that they pose anymore of a threat then non-mutant criminals. Thus, in my eyes, my side is wining, and besides which, none of my points in that thread have been refuted. This however ignores the concept that GD is a place where people discuss issues, and learn more about the subject. Under either definition however, I can not see how any of my posts in that thread were duds. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/315 "2005-07-06T13:35:34Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > An effect to get me to A: Stop Posting, or B: Stop posting temporarily, but then resume posting at a later date, after I have improved my writing. Neither part has entirely succeeded. Close, but no cigar. If you look back over the past six pages, you would find that the majority of posts [1] were devoted to one simple message: Read more. Post less. Read more. Post less. Got that? Read more. Post less. One more time: Read more. Post less. All together now: [1] At least the ones which were not concerned with ripping you that new asshole that **Malacandra** so kindly delivered. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/316 "2005-07-06T13:45:44Z")
Except that many of the Japanese sent to camps were not aliens at all, but were instead American citizens of Japanese descent. They had not registered as aliens under the Smith Act since, you know, they weren’t aliens. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/317 "2005-07-06T13:56:33Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Well, a better example using America would be the relocation camps of asians because they could be traitors and saboteurs. At the time, I’m sure it seemed like a reasonable idea. Right now, listing people because of a bad gene or two seems like a reasonable idea. If they become dangerous, who knows what will seem like a good idea.,\ > [@Wikipedia](#): > > On June 28, 1940 the Alien Registration Act of 1940 (or Smith Act) is passed, Section 31 required the registration and fingerprinting of aliens above the age of 14, Section 35 required reports of change of address within 5 days. Registered aliens are to get back their Green Cards, after form processing. Within 4 months 4,741,971 registered at post offices around the country. Of the 1.1 million aliens above the age of 14 who would be classed as enemy aliens, 683,259 were males of which 56,332 were Japanese. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > So basically, Myself, and many others have shown that registration is dangerous, and based on past experience, likely to lead to round-ups. At the risk of re-opening that debate in this thread… Scott, the two things you’re quoting as proving your point, don’t prove your point. (1) The Smith act required the registering of aliens – that is, citizens of foreign nations. (2) The Japanese-American internments involved the relocation of US citizens. (3) Since the people being rounded up in Step 2 were US citizens, they wouldn’t have been registered as aliens in step 1. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/318 "2005-07-06T13:59:10Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > This however ignores the concept that GD is a place where people discuss issues, and learn more about the subject. Under either definition however, I can not see how any of my posts in that thread were duds. Ok, Scott, how about this gem from that thread? > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Way to miss the point, Tom. Really, they all signed, have known what his feelings were, and besides, the deist “endowed by their creator.” is not the “endowed by the creator” is not the that would go towards Rick’s point. Care to explain to those us who can’t parse this mess what, if anything, you thought you said? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/319 "2005-07-06T14:00:37Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > So basically, Myself, and many others have shown that registration is dangerous, and based on past experience, likely to lead to round-ups. It has also been show on the thread that there is no reason to believe that just because there are a few mutant terrorists in the world, that they pose anymore of a threat then non-mutant criminals. Thus, in my eyes, my side is wining, and besides which, none of my points in that thread have been refuted. Scott: Your ability to comprehend when points are addressed, refuted, or not refuted, is seriously flawed. How many people need to tell you that before you will believe it? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/320 "2005-07-06T14:02:55Z")
> [@me](#): > > Bricker: > > Your ability to comprehend when points are addressed, refuted, or not refuted, is seriously flawed. > > How many people need to tell you that before you will believe it? Cite, just about every thread you have been in, when you argue for a majority forcing it’s views on a minority,MA gay marriage being judical activism, or many other points. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=17)