# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/361 "2005-07-06T15:24:11Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > The end result has been that I will attempt to improve my writing style, **off the board** , for the next long while. I will also change my behavior in GD, till next week, and maybe beyond that. **ElvisL1ves** , thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/362 "2005-07-06T15:24:40Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > **John Mace** , may I please have a ruling on Shodan’s posts [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6332560&postcount=49) and [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6333218&postcount=55). Both were posted yesterday, both seem to me to be leading questions, and both seem to contain summaries of what he believes the case to be. Depends on what Mace was hoping you would learn through this. “Debating through questions” is a useful skill and something you desparately need. Instead of making any assertions, you just let the other guy fall apart all on his own. “Asking honest questions and accepting the answer” is also something you are in desperate need of. Generally you assume that your view of Republicans, Democrats, religious persons, gay people, scientists, or whoever is accurate– **without ever believing anything those people tell you about their beliefs**. Anyhow, might I ask whether you are actually fighting for your integrity at this point or trolling? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/363 "2005-07-06T15:25:47Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > And your last sentence makes no sense, so much for that new and improved writing style… I meant to quote this paragraph in my last post. Whoops. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/364 "2005-07-06T15:28:55Z")
> [@Sage Rat](#): > > Depends on what Mace was hoping you would learn through this. That was likely to have been his reason. However, my point is that at least I held out longer without making statements then Shodan. However, I still intend to keep only asking questions till the 11th, regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/365 "2005-07-06T15:30:02Z")
> [@Sage Rat](#): > > Anyhow, might I ask whether you are actually fighting for your integrity at this point or trolling? Fighting for my integrity. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/366 "2005-07-06T15:34:33Z")
Good luck. _signing out_ ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/367 "2005-07-06T15:36:48Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Fighting for my integrity. Too little, too late. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/368 "2005-07-06T15:37:43Z")
Thanks to all involved. This thread is fucking hilarious. The best bit is that **Scott** doesn’t seem to realize that he is getting his ass handed to him. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/369 "2005-07-06T15:37:50Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > P.S. On preview, I see John Mace has made his ruling, and I see no reason to contest it. Thank you, your honor. And yet, you continue to argue as if you’re in the GD thread. Read more. Post Less. To paraphrase Gandalf: Most of us are not trying to hurt you, we’re trying to help you. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/370 "2005-07-06T15:39:19Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > But, did I really break down first? I don’t know. **John Mace** , may I please have a ruling on Shodan’s posts [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6332560&postcount=49) and [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6333218&postcount=55). Both were posted yesterday, both seem to me to be leading questions, and both seem to contain summaries of what he believes the case to be. I haven’t checked those cites, but I didn’t think this was a contest to see who broke down first. My thoughts were you’d go for a week just asking Qs in GD, and if either of you went off track, I’d guide you back on track. This exercise was supposed to be a learning experience, not a contest. If you want it to be a contest, then count me out. That was not the “original intent” of the idea. And seeing as I’m the guy who thought up the idea, I feel very comfortable ruling on the original intent. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/371 "2005-07-06T15:39:21Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Fighting for my integrity. I doubt whoever took it from you is going to give it back, given how long they’ve had it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/372 "2005-07-06T15:40:26Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Looks I lost the agreement. After all, Bricker asked for claificcation in [a recent GD](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=322160) thread. I could have waited for someone else to post the information he asked for. Instead, I egotitically decided that I was the best on to answer, and I put the anwer in this very thread. Nevermind the fact that it was almost a CS question, I nanswerd it, rather then ignoring it. claificcation? egotitically? nanswerd? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/373 "2005-07-06T15:42:24Z")
> [@Club 33](#): > > claificcation? > egotitically? > nanswerd? It’s like shooting fish in a barrel, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/374 "2005-07-06T15:47:51Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Thanks to all involved. This thread is fucking hilarious. > > The best bit is that **Scott** doesn’t seem to realize that he is getting his ass handed to him. I fail to reasoning of see your point. If by ass you mean small donkey-like reptile, then no, I don’t, think it is handed to being me. If, on the other foot, you are suggesting my own ass, handed, and not by foot, but by hand, to me, then I would point out several other, posters, who would agree with me, on this point. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/375 "2005-07-06T15:48:16Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > And seeing as I’m the guy who thought up the idea, I feel very comfortable ruling on the original intent. 🙂 Dammit, I want an activist judge! :mad: Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/376 "2005-07-06T15:50:44Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > I fail to reasoning of see your point. If by ass you mean small donkey-like reptile, then no, I don’t, think it is handed to being me. If, on the other foot, you are suggesting my own ass, handed, and not by foot, but by hand, to me, then I would point out several other, posters, who would agree with me, on this point. Oh shit. Stop! My side are killing me and all my cow-workers want to know what the hell is so funny. ---
**Author:** ![boofuu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@boofuu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boofuu)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/377 "2005-07-06T15:54:09Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Oh shit. Stop! My side are killing me and all my cow-workers want to know what the hell is so funny. Moo? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/378 "2005-07-06T15:55:26Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > That was likely to have been his reason. However, my point is that at least I held out longer without making statements then Shodan. In those two posts, it looked to me like Shodan was just asking questions. Which parts did you object to? Yes, there were some sentences that didn’t end in question marks, if you want to be literalistic about it, but they were statements in which **Shodan** was trying to clarify for himself what he thought the other person was saying, then asking, “Is this correct?” But your comment above is very telling, because it clearly illustrates one of the main reasons you are getting so much opposition here, from all sides of the political aisle. Everything is a competition to you, in which you must fight to win WIN **WIN** , and best your opponent in mortal combat! Do you really think that was the point of the exercise? Sometimes a discussion is not a competition. Sometimes even a debate is not a competition (i.e. with a “winner” and a “loser” at the end). Until you figure this out, you will continue to face the same sentiments here that you’ve been seeing for the last 8 pages (and more). ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/379 "2005-07-06T15:57:17Z")
> [@boofuu](#): > > Moo? Cow-worker is a long time SDMBism. I can’t remember who exactly started it, but I think he’s burning your dog. ---
**Author:** ![boofuu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@boofuu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boofuu)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/380 "2005-07-06T16:01:51Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Cow-worker is a long time SDMBism. I can’t remember who exactly started it, but I think he’s burning your dog. Woof? Really, don’t mind me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=20)