# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/421 "2005-07-06T16:44:23Z")
> [@Pythian Habenero](#): > > It’s “peeks”, by the way. Dunno, depends on which keys you press. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/422 "2005-07-06T16:46:11Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > No it’s, like the fish, beng shot by, the shoter, what has the barell be side, for shooting in. All of you talking about fish shot being, are clearly wrong. Many peoples, agree with me, and I have many sites, showing it. I gave nall of this 12 posts ago, you should consider it, in the Marvel Universe, all agree, therefore, saying I’m wrong, is like saying mutants should be detained. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/423 "2005-07-06T16:46:50Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I will adibe by **John Mace** ’s ruling on this but I think you are forgeting my post #24 in that thrad about the activits judges where **Shodan** asked a question but not like we agreed and I had to come here to clarify my point. What am I supossed to do when I ama ttacked and I think I am the best person to answer the questions even though I can’t do it in a question it is good for degbate. Okay, than, your win on this on, but, I only say that becuase your a modernator, and you forbid my to argue with you all the same, is’nt it? I think if you’re wanted to be fair, you could argue, some-where else, but not hear, like Mister Miagoo said, it you’re doojoo. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/424 "2005-07-06T17:05:36Z")
Much better use of the comma key, **Lib**. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/425 "2005-07-06T17:09:10Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Is it just me, or is the helpful advice segment of this thread over? It wasn’t for lack of trying. I’m sure **Scott** ’s a bright person, he just needs to organize those thoughts into something more coherent. To the rest of you: my brane now hurts. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![RobuSensei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/919ad9/32.png) [@RobuSensei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobuSensei)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/426 "2005-07-06T17:09:55Z")
Y’know, I waited far too long to add my two cents in… **Scott,** on the VERY off chance that you’re still reading this, I’d like to bring a few things to your attention. Although, considering that many others have already said these exact same things, and you seem to not give a damn, I don’t know why I’m trying, but what the hell. First, if YOU and YOU ALONE are declaring yourself the “victor” in a debate, odds are you aren’t. It’s FAR more likely that you’ve won if OTHER people are saying, “wow, good point,” or “I see where you’re coming from.” Second, a debate does not necessarily have to have a “winner” and a “loser.” Third, it’s often considered polite when first joining a new message board to LURK for a while, get a feel for the place, see how things are done, see how issues are settled. Apparently, you have NEVER done this. Not from day one.\* \*Pit threads that aren’t in the pit (hey, remember the original reason you were dragged in here?), continuing to claim facts that have been repeatedly shown to be false, little pouty “pay attention to ME” posts when somebody didn’t acknowledge one of your little pop culture bons mots, trying to junior-mod the multitudes of threads that you started… Oh, and one last thing – [This informational filmstrip.](http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php) Although originally prepared for another forum, much of it applies universally. And, in closing, since most of this post is repeated stuff anyway… READ MORE. POST LESS. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/427 "2005-07-06T17:33:39Z")
**Scott** , you said, “at least I held out longer without making statements _then_ **Shodan**.” :smack: Held out longer **THAN** Shodan. **THAN** Stop saying THEN when you mean **THAN**. For the love of Og and all that’s holy, pretty please just correct this one little thing and I will feel that I have done my part to help you. Throw a poor old English teacher a crumb, will you? Please?!? I’m on summer vacation, but this thread is really hitting me where I live. I think it’s time for me to stop reading now and put an ice pack on my head. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/428 "2005-07-06T17:33:52Z")
Damn, I was hoping, he would come, back with the, examples ,of debates he, has won,. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/429 "2005-07-06T17:37:31Z")
Damn. My judgement of how I am coming across must be dreadful. Neither of the posts linked to were intended as rhetorical or leading questions. I was genuinely trying to get a question answered, not (or not intending) to advocate a postion. I can even remember feeling like it should be in GQ instead of GD. I didn’t feel like I would be learning anything if I gave up posting to Great Debates altogether, and I really thought I was doing OK. And writing every sentence so it would end with a question mark sounded stupid-to-the-point-of-parody. Shoot. :mad: If someone cares to, could you parse my posts and let me know how I could have done it correctly? My idea was to sum up what I had read so far, and then ask about the remaining unclear parts. Anyone? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/430 "2005-07-06T17:44:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If someone cares to, could you parse my posts and let me know how I could have done it correctly? My idea was to sum up what I had read so far, and then ask about the remaining unclear parts. I think they were fine. The expository segments are clearly there for helping to define your question. They do not, in my opinion, display point of view. ---
**Author:** ![gommsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bcef8e/32.png) [@gommsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gommsn)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/431 "2005-07-06T17:46:16Z")
Nice Try folks, really nice try. I haven’t even been responding and I’m totally drained. If none of you have ever been through an intervention, well, you have now. My stomsche hurts, my head aches and I’m going for the Tylenol. Og bless all of you! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/432 "2005-07-06T17:46:54Z")
Thanks, **TYM**. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/433 "2005-07-06T17:53:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Damn. > > My judgement of how I am coming across must be dreadful. Neither of the posts linked to were intended as rhetorical or leading questions. I was genuinely trying to get a question answered, not (or not intending) to advocate a postion. I can even remember feeling like it should be in GQ instead of GD. now see, that 's why you lose all teh debats adn **Scott** wins, them because see, you comeacross then, as admitting, he wins and your dreadful so, you’re questins are just teh sam, mumbojumbo (thats a poem by I forget who but it was aobut the jungle andit was, relly prejudiced but it hada goood beat, you could, dance to it) and anyway you, didnt answer him, so, he wins this, one too. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/434 "2005-07-06T17:56:21Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I think they were fine. The expository segments are clearly there for helping to define your question. They do not, in my opinion, display point of view. I didn’t see any problem with those posts either, **Shodan**. I asked Scott in [Post 378](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6336094&postcount=378) which parts of your posts he specifically objected to (question-wise). Perhaps he can fill us in on his interpretation. I thought they were fine. Monstre \<— who has a song from “Eurotrip” playing in his head, for some odd reason… ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/435 "2005-07-06T17:58:28Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > now see, that 's why you lose all teh debats adn **Scott** wins, them because see, you comeacross then, as admitting, he wins and your dreadful so, you’re questins are just teh sam, mumbojumbo (thats a poem by I forget who but it was aobut the jungle andit was, relly prejudiced but it hada goood beat, you could, dance to it) and anyway you, didnt answer him, so, he wins this, one too. I see your [del]tottally stupid[/del] points. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/436 "2005-07-06T18:26:27Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > **Scott** , you said, “at least I held out longer without making statements _then_ **Shodan**.” > > :smack: > > Held out longer **THAN** Shodan. > > **THAN** > Stop saying THEN when you mean **THAN**. For the love of Og and all that’s holy, pretty please just correct this one little thing and I will feel that I have done my part to help you. Throw a poor old English teacher a crumb, will you? Please?!? > > I’m on summer vacation, but this thread is really hitting me where I live. I think it’s time for me to stop reading now and put an ice pack on my head. Eye shear yore pane. Wee mussed knot let hymn of Scot-free! Oar, two putt it anotehr weigh: all of you are making fun of my, posts and. all you are doing is consoling my beleif that iam write. Because why else would you do this to for by me?, here is my case and you can see, that, it, is. i listen to the who and they sing wont get fooled again and i wont who knows. In a previous post than, I showed that **all generalisations were false** including this one. but you are all thinking you are so smart and, yet, **I am winning overall** , including this one i, had a good idea but maybe there will be time to add it who, knows. also you say read, more post, less but i say that the more you here from me the moor you will see iam right so, to speak and another thing is that i dont have a lot of time but, i, have a lot to contribute here and their is no need to because i like to get it all out before i forget what i was saying and. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/437 "2005-07-06T18:34:38Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > Goddammit, **Scott** , all you are doing right now is attempting an end-run around your agreement or competition or whatever the fuck you want to call it where you’re not to post anything but questions in GD. > > Dragging the discussion into the Pit may not be violating the letter of your accord, but it is sure as shit violating the spirit of it. > > **John Mace** , I want a ruling on this. Wait—if he’s only supposed to be asking questions in GD, how come he’s making direct statments in the “Mutant Registration” thread? Are exceptions allowed? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/438 "2005-07-06T18:36:56Z")
Hey **glee** , you missspelled pain… ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/439 "2005-07-06T18:38:50Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Wait—if he’s only supposed to be asking questions in GD, how come he’s making direct statments in the “Mutant Registration” thread? Are exceptions allowed? Fenris? You’re back? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/440 "2005-07-06T18:40:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Damn. > > My judgement of how I am coming across must be dreadful. Neither of the posts linked to were intended as rhetorical or leading questions. I was genuinely trying to get a question answered, not (or not intending) to advocate a postion. I can even remember feeling like it should be in GQ instead of GD. > > I didn’t feel like I would be learning anything if I gave up posting to Great Debates altogether, and I really thought I was doing OK. And writing every sentence so it would end with a question mark sounded stupid-to-the-point-of-parody. Shoot. :mad: > > If someone cares to, could you parse my posts and let me know how I could have done it correctly? My idea was to sum up what I had read so far, and then ask about the remaining unclear parts. I didn’t want to “rule” on your posts earlier because I didn’t have the time to look at them closely. After reading them, they look more or less OK, but you’re not making it easy to tell since the posts are so long and do have a lot of non-question comments. The spirit of the rule, though, was that neither of you guys would try to persuade another poster to alter his or her views. Rather, you’d spend a week, in GD, of just trying to understand the other posters’ points of view. As long as you’re doing that, you’re fine I’d stay away from inventing new hypotheticals, though, as it can be hard to tell if that’s supposed to be for clarification purposes, or for persuasion purposes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=23)