# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/521 "2005-07-07T21:11:36Z")

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Come on **Unc** , at least he aint nit picking…

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/522 "2005-07-07T21:22:57Z")

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> [@askeptic](#):
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> Come on **Unc** , at least he aint nit picking…

Thank you, Askeptic. And for the record, nitpicking is one word.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/523 "2005-07-07T21:32:45Z")

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> [@Liberal](#):
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> Thank you, Askeptic. And for the record, nitpicking is one word.

😃

Daniel

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**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/524 "2005-07-07T21:33:57Z")

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😃😃😃😃

Damn **Lib** , I like you on your good days…

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**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/525 "2005-07-07T21:34:03Z")

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> Come on Unc, at least he aint nit picking…

You’re right. I’ll withdraw my objection. Sorry, Lib. I have the wrong fight, wrong time.

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**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/526 "2005-07-07T21:36:18Z")

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> [@UncleBeer](#):
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> You’re right. I’ll withdraw my objection. Sorry, Lib. I have the wrong fight, wrong time.

Quick, somebody get **Scott** , I need a ruling. I just won an arguement… (smiley)…

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/527 "2005-07-07T21:38:30Z")

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> [@UncleBeer](#):
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> You’re right. I’ll withdraw my objection. Sorry, Lib. I have the wrong fight, wrong time.

No problem. You and I usually get along well, so I just let it go without responding, figuring you were having a bad day. I hope things are okay for you.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/528 "2005-07-07T21:43:41Z")

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> [@Liberal](#):
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> Thank you, Askeptic. And for the record, nitpicking is one word.

It’s a small “a” in askeptic. 😃

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/529 "2005-07-07T21:48:19Z")

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> [@John Mace](#):
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> It’s a small “a” in askeptic. 😃

Yes, but I always just ignore that. If you ignore it, it ain’t a rule. 😛

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**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/530 "2005-07-07T21:48:21Z")

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Look, it’s one gigantic fucking love-fest. 😃

Can’t let this continue. It’ll ruin my reputation as an ill-tempered misanthrope. So [fuck off, **Left Hand of Dorkness**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5531354#post5531354).

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**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/531 "2005-07-07T22:10:42Z")

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(BTW: I no longer endorse the anti- **Bricker** sentiments I expressed in the quote in the linked post.)

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**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/532 "2005-07-07T22:16:26Z")

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> [@Liberal](#):
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> Yes, but I always just ignore that. If you ignore it, it ain’t a rule. 😛

I’d like to see you try that with the “Don’t be a jerk” rule. I don’t care who you are Lynn will smite thee…

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**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\
**Post date:** [July 7, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/533 "2005-07-07T22:30:48Z")

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> [@askeptic](#):
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> I’d like to see you try that with the “Don’t be a jerk” rule. I don’t care who you are Lynn will smite thee…

But if it’s **SkipMagic** , he’ll smite twee.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/534 "2005-07-08T01:23:05Z")

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> [@Liberal](#):
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> Lefty, please be sure to point out to the kids that not everything that looks like slippery slope is a logical fallacy.

Glad folks liked the lesson plan! And this is a very good point. I think the best way to incorporate it would be to offer the students an alternative argument with similar structure but clearly legitimate points as contrast. (“I also thought about bringing you all some loaded guns to play with during recess, but then I thought, if I do that, then y’all are going to shoot your guns, and if you do that, then someone might not pay attention where they shoot their gun, and if they don’t pay attention, they might accidentally shoot someone else, and if they shoot someone else, the person they shoot might die. Bring guns? Someone might die! How is that different from Bring cookies? Cities Burn!”)

**Excalibre** , I wrote that? Er, um, yes. Sorry about that. High tensions and all, post-election, everyone was awful, I blame society. You can quit fucking off now.

(See, you were right–I **am** one of the most forgiving people on the boards! 😃 Thanks for that, by the way)

Daniel

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**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/535 "2005-07-08T06:22:20Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> a decent society owes all people an above-average wage.

That would be difficult…

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/536 "2005-07-08T11:28:02Z")

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> [@Sage Rat](#):
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> That would be difficult…

Kinda the point I was making…

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**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/537 "2005-07-08T12:26:18Z")

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> [@UncleBeer](#):
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> [Horseshit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6335426&postcount=212), knave.

First, I have already been called on that by **John**.

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> Not that it really matters, because I don’t really think you guys are accomplishing anything by only posting “questions” to elucidate the points of others. One can quite easily make his own opinion known ecen tho’ one limits oneself to posting interrogatories, can’t one?

Second, that would go against the spirit, and wording of the agreement.

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**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/538 "2005-07-08T12:47:22Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> Scott:
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> But while many people - here, especially - may agree that raising the minimum wage is a good idea, no one (except, possibly, you) would argue that all workers can get an above-average wage.

I am curious to know if Scott understands your excellent illustration, in particular the slight problem with the hypothetical argument.

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**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/539 "2005-07-08T12:51:27Z")

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> [@Scott Plaid](#):
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> . . .Second, that would go against the spirit, and wording of the agreement.

That’s exactly \*\*UncleBeer’s \*\* point. It’s a moot point, though, as you wasted no time in running roughshod over the spirit, the wording, the letter and the intent of the agreement.

I watched with a jaundiced eye as the agreement took shape in t’other thread, but I figured it would make for an interesting test of integrity.

Guess what? You didn’t pass.

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**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/540 "2005-07-08T12:57:33Z")

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This thread has finally surpassed **Roland Daschain** ’s [Don’t we also have to respect cheaters and sociopaths?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=299438), and broken into the top 50 most viewed Pit threads of all time. :smack:

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