# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/641 "2005-07-08T19:24:54Z")
> [@Cemetery Savior](#): > > > [@UncleBeer](#): > > > > Perhaps, but consider this: Does not the independent functional principle affect a significant implementation of the preliminary qualification limit? In theory, the characterization of critically co-optive criteria quite obviously presents a valuable challenge showing, at minimum, the necessity of each anticipated epistemological repercussion. Of course, a large proportion of intercultural communication coordination inherently recognizes the importance of other structurally communicative disciplines, all while taking into account the far deeper structuralistic conceptualizations. Summarizing then, any exponential epistemological repercussion is holistically compounded within the context of our hedonic perspective and within any given time period. Right? > > > [@Metacom](#): > > > > Frankly, no. The ontological consequences of the functional principles preclude any epistemological repercussions from being actualized as co-optive criteria. At best, we can seek to use structuralistic criteria to understand a small portion of the intercultural communicative disciplines, but only if we first find a normative mean representative of the relevant population’s structuralistic conceptualizations. The more apropos metric for determining the degree of effect a given logical entity has on the qualification limits is to constrain our perspective to encompass only the sybaratic properties of the hedonistic perspective, and from there arbitrarily determine the extent of influence. > > I am standing in etymological poo. ☹ “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself – that is, is not the transcendental subject – but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” Immanuel Kant, _Critique of Pure Reason_ ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/642 "2005-07-08T19:43:54Z")
There are many Dopers who spend lots of time posting to Great Debates. There are many others who read GD threads, but don’t post much. And still others that stay away from GD entirely. **Scott** , obviously you are in the first category. In all seriousness, I would like to ask you (and all other GD frequenters) what are your motivations, your goals, in spending time debating on this board. [In that vein, I’ve started this poll in IMHO](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324639). I’d appreciate it if the folks in this thread (you too, **Scott** ) would pop over and respond to that poll for me. (No arguing in that thread, please). ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/643 "2005-07-08T19:46:53Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > 1. Graham crackers and milk will be served at the conclusion of the event. I thought it was beer and strippers. Of course we could always dip the strippers in milk and roll them in graham cracker crumbs while drinking beer, and thus combine the best of both worlds. But then what about **Uvula Donor** ’s ribs? What were we talking about again? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/644 "2005-07-08T19:56:56Z")
I’ve been concentrating on the London Bombing thread, and the thread I started as a spin-off from that thread, so let me know if \*\*Scott \*\*or \*\*Shodan \*\*have posts that need rulings. I haven’t seen \*\*Scott \*\*in any of the threads I’ve been reading today. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/645 "2005-07-08T20:02:46Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I haven’t seen \*\*Scott \*\*in any of the threads I’ve been reading today. You know it’s been a good day when you can say this. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/646 "2005-07-08T20:14:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I thought it was beer and strippers. I was hoping for spongecake und schnapps, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/647 "2005-07-08T20:52:12Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I thought it was beer and strippers. > > Of course we could always dip the strippers in milk and roll them in graham cracker crumbs while drinking beer, and thus combine the best of both worlds. But then what about **Uvula Donor** ’s ribs? > > What were we talking about again? > > Regards, > Shodan I don’t see how dipping strippers in milk and crumbs, drinking beer, and eating ribs are mutually exclusive activities. Actually, if we can get someone to show up with a case of whipped cream, some feathers, and a _Twister_ game, I think we’d have just about everything we need. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/648 "2005-07-08T21:02:50Z")
> [@Cemetery Savior](#): > > I am standing in etymological poo. You should [get slack](http://www.subgenius.com/index.htm). ---
**Author:** ![boofuu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@boofuu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boofuu)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/649 "2005-07-08T21:38:17Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > Sorry, your old school rival. NC State. > > I still can’t wrap my head around this whole new-fangled Carolina/Duke rivalry. Oh, State. Humph, still don’t like y’all. All those bricks. C’mon. But at least you have an IHOP. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/650 "2005-07-08T22:25:55Z")
> [@boofuu](#): > > Please just leave this thread, let it die a natural end. Stop giving people fodder for more. I don’t see this becoming the least bit ugly, since I don’t feel any real feelings of being hurt from words on a page, no matter how many people they represent. However, I while I certainly could go on posting defense’s people see in my behavior, I will not, since, as you have pointed out that this would keep the thread going on longer. First however, I feel the need to answer the question of why I always feel I am right, and Bricker/Shodan/Sauron are always wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/651 "2005-07-08T22:28:12Z")
Ok, I have read over this thread, and tried to figure out something. Why is it that I think I am always right, and Bricker is always wrong. Well, I think I figured it out. It seems to be a two part answer. Since the first part picks apart a kind of hole I see most threads by conservatives, I will leave it out. From past experience, if I insult something I see, and make some other point in the same thread, people will only pay attention to the insult. The second part is that I am guilty. Guilty, guilty, guilty! Then again, so are Shodan and Bricker. You see, we are all guilty of reading threads, and seeing what we think we said, rather then what we actually wrote. Sauron, for example reads the words “Social Mores”, and mentally inserts “Morality”, or even the completely different idea of “Views of morality”, depending on how he feels. Ya see, I do not feel like conceding that I was wrong about any of the points I made in earlier threads. After all, I know I was 100% right. I know what I said. Just like Sauron. Problem is some people who I have not argued with in those same debates have come on this thread to tell me that I was both wrong, and unintelligible. Thus, I must be guilty of both, some of the time. I refuse to believe I am always wrong. Why? Because of the logical error know as argument from authority. You see, some people have agreed that I am pretty smart. Since no one would call an unintelligible maniac “smart”, I must be right some of the time. Perhaps, looking over things, I only post unintelligibly when the issues involved have not pushed my “Full-steam ahead!” buttons. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/652 "2005-07-08T22:30:05Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > First however, I feel the need to answer the question of why I always feel I am right, and Bricker/Shodan/Sauron are always wrong. Have you considered that you may be narcissistic? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/653 "2005-07-08T22:31:20Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I’ve been concentrating on the London Bombing thread, and the thread I started as a spin-off from that thread, so let me know if \*\*Scott \*\*or \*\*Shodan \*\*have posts that need rulings. I haven’t seen \*\*Scott \*\*in any of the threads I’ve been reading today. [Here you go](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324428&p=6343440). One of mine. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/654 "2005-07-08T22:50:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Ya see, I do not feel like conceding that I was wrong about any of the points I made in earlier threads. After all, I know I was 100% right. I know what I said. Really? “ **any of the points** ”? _100% right_? You **know** what you said? So you were 100% correct in your (never supported) assertion that Hollywood created a bad meaning for the word “hacker”? Have you been hiding from [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6340866&postcount=507)? (I don’t mind this thread going on longer. Everything he posts here is keeping **Scott** from cluttering up some other Forum with more gibberish and more errors.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/655 "2005-07-08T22:54:25Z")
HOw about it, **jsgoddess** –would you call an unintelligible maniac “smart”? I might. Daniel [sub]trying to think of the name of the scientist on The Simpsons[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/656 "2005-07-08T22:55:30Z")
Professor Frink. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/657 "2005-07-08T22:57:38Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Ok, I have read over this thread, and tried to figure out something. Why is it that I think I am always right, and Bricker is always wrong. And no possibility that you might sometimes be wrong and Bricker might sometimes be right. > [@](#): > > Well, I think I figured it out. It seems to be a two part answer. Since the first part picks apart a kind of hole I see most threads by conservatives, I will leave it out. And you can sit there and claim that that last sentence was posted by an smart person? > [@](#): > > From past experience, if I insult something I see, and make some other point in the same thread, people will only pay attention to the insult. Why the insult? Have you ever tried just making your point _without_ insulting first? > [@](#): > > The second part is that I am guilty. Guilty, guilty, guilty! Then again, so are Shodan and Bricker. What do Shodan and Bricker have to do with anything? If your personal vendetta is against them specifically, and conservatives as a whole, then make your case. Don’t try to hide behind the ol’ “Well Shodan and Bricker do it, so I can too!”. If you are indeed correct, then make your case. The trouble is, and you might have heard this before, nobody can understand what the fuck you are trying to say. > [@](#): > > Problem is some people who I have not argued with in those same debates have come on this thread to tell me that I was both wrong, and unintelligible. No shit. > [@](#): > > Thus, I must be guilty of both, some of the time. I refuse to believe I am always wrong. Why? Because of the logical error know as argument from authority. So you’re an authority on everything and we should just take all your arguments as the truth and go on. Thanks for clearing that up, that could have saved us all a lot of arguing. > [@](#): > > You see, some people have agreed that I am pretty smart. Since no one would call an unintelligible maniac “smart”, I must be right some of the time. I miss the connection between being smart and being right. Smart people can be wrong sometimes. And there are plenty of brilliant maniacs with criminal minds, I’ll wager some of them are more intelligible than you (you might hit that logical fallacy link, I think one slipped you by). > [@](#): > > Perhaps, looking over things, I only post unintelligibly when the issues involved have not pushed my “Full-steam ahead!” buttons. No, you post unintelligibly most of the time, but it seems to be WORSE when you are in full steam ahead mode. That you think you are doing better when full steam ahead just shows how skewed your perception is. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/658 "2005-07-08T23:03:47Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Really? “ **any of the points** ”? > _100% right_? > You **know** what you said? > > So you were 100% correct in your (never supported) assertion that Hollywood created a bad meaning for the word “hacker”? Have you been hiding from [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6340866&postcount=507)? No, I just didn’t notice it. I suppose when I have more time I can try and tear it apart, but… Wait, I must remember what **boofuu** said. tom, I must not have been clear. I gave an example of Sauron thinking he was right, when in fact, he was wrong. This is due to his reading what he thinks he wrote/what he would have liked to wrote. Then, I talked about how I believe I am always right. You see, the two are connected. Basically, the entire point of that post is that I am right some of the time, and most likely wrong some of the time. I it appears I can not tell which is which. My feeling that am right 100% of the time has nothing to do with reality. Nor does the idea that I am wrong 100% of the time. Same idea for “gibberish and errors”. Cite for either side of the argument: > [@jsgoddess](#): > > Well, intelligibility has two people involved for one thing. James Joyce in unintelligible at times. > > Being smart isn’t the same thing as being organized, either in writing or in life. And I apparently don’t have the same amount of trouble reading him as some do. Not that I get it all, but **there are times when I think his points are quite clear when others argue that they have no idea what he could possibly mean.** > > I used to hang out on USENET. This could explain much. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/659 "2005-07-08T23:04:09Z")
> [@](#): > > I know I was 100% right. I know what I said. I repeat: Dubya? Is that you? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/660 "2005-07-08T23:05:22Z")
I suspect that the only time your points are clear are when you have copied someone else’s words. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=34)