# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/781 "2005-07-12T16:17:59Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] [li]More often than not, I have my mind made up when I open a thread in GD. Big surprise, eh? [/li]\ [li]Lots of folks aren’t reacting to what is said. They are reacting to what they wanted to be said. I can’t tell if this is deliberate or not. I suspect not always.[/li][/QUOTE] ISTM the latter derives quite often from the former, for all of us. **Shodan** , I have to come clean here. I disgree vehemently with your positions on many issues. In the past your posts, both in content and in presentation, have driven me right up the fucking wall. I confess that I have even had you on ignore, though briefly and quite a while ago. However, your conduct recently, especially throughout this particular mess, has helped me develop a great deal of respect for you. I still disagree with your viewpoints, but I feel as though you will at least respect my opposition, as I respect yours to mine. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/782 "2005-07-12T16:20:31Z")
Has there ever been a pit thread centered on a particular poster that’s as long as this one? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/783 "2005-07-12T16:29:44Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I may be hated, but not on the same scale as **Sauron**. Based on this amazing thread, it appears to me that you are variously disliked, pitied and disdained. You may have noticed that helpful advice stopped appearing here pages and pages ago. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > All in all, the image I have of myself is of someone who is able too see wholes in arguments, and point them out. I sometimes post indecipherable comments, which are sometimes due to my impatience in posting about a hot button issue, and are sometimes due to the fact that people see things in many different ways. The aspect of this thread that has been most interesting to me, **Scott** , is the vast gulf between your image of yourself and the way others see you, as well as your seeming indifference to that difference. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/784 "2005-07-12T16:34:57Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I may be hated, but not on the same scale as **Sauron** It is possible that I was whooshed by his post, but I frimly believe it was a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/785 "2005-07-12T16:40:53Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > It is possible that I was whooshed by his post, but I frimly believe it was a joke. I’ll await clarification, God help me, from **Scott**. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/786 "2005-07-12T16:48:59Z")
> [@Tim Staab](#): > > The aspect of this thread that has been most interesting to me, **Scott** , is the vast gulf between your image of yourself and the way others see you, as well as your seeming indifference to that difference. Basically, I have been saying. “Yes, I know people don’t like me. I will change. However, first I will defend what I have said in the past.” It seems like people just can’t stand that. :shrug: Also, Sauron’s post was meant to mock me. However, at first, I read it literally, that he has actually received many email from mods. Thus, I reflected that while I might be pitted here, at least they wasn’t worked up enough to have emails sent. I joked about that idea. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/787 "2005-07-12T16:49:56Z")
That doesn’t make sense. If nothing’s wrong with your past, why change? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/788 "2005-07-12T16:51:38Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > That doesn’t make sense. Big news flash there, Lib. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/789 "2005-07-12T16:52:22Z")
I am not saying that _nothing_ was wrong with my past. However, people claimed I was flat out wrong tohave made certain claims, and I think I was right to have done so. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/790 "2005-07-12T16:53:43Z")
Like what, for example? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/791 "2005-07-12T16:56:31Z")
Like my declaring victory over the factual statements I made back in the thread about Santorum reading the bible. Like just about every debate I was ever in with Bricker. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/792 "2005-07-12T17:00:55Z")
You declared victory over making factual statements? Wow, dude. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/793 "2005-07-12T17:03:56Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You declared victory over making factual statements? Wow, dude. His victory was over his tendency to **mangle** said factual statements, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/794 "2005-07-12T17:08:38Z")
One plus one equals two. I win. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/795 "2005-07-12T17:14:07Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > One plus one equals two. I win. Not, in base two. So there. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/796 "2005-07-12T17:20:16Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Not, in base two. So there. But I still win. It was in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/797 "2005-07-12T17:28:30Z")
> [@andros](#): > > ISTM the latter derives quite often from the former, for all of us. > > **Shodan** , I have to come clean here. I disgree vehemently with your positions on many issues. In the past your posts, both in content and in presentation, have driven me right up the fucking wall. I confess that I have even had you on ignore, though briefly and quite a while ago. > > However, your conduct recently, especially throughout this particular mess, has helped me develop a great deal of respect for you. Wow. I mentioned elsewhere that I had myself suspended for a month, a while ago. That was for the same reason that I agreed to the “questions only” stipulation - to try to regain a sense of perspective about the boards, as well as some other issues. I’d like to think that your post is in response to that. I hope so, at least. > [@andros](#): > > I still disagree with your viewpoints, but I feel as though you will at least respect my opposition, as I respect yours to mine. Thank you. OK, I’ve decided. _One_ such post as the above is enough to make the whole week worthwhile. Thank you for your response. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/798 "2005-07-12T18:02:36Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > Yes, there is still hope. > > Hope that you won’t do it again when his sub expires! 😃 I may be slow, but I **do** learn. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/799 "2005-07-12T18:06:30Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I may be hated, but not on the same scale as **Sauron**. Who on earth hates him? I LOVE HIM. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/800 "2005-07-12T18:09:55Z")
> [@GingerOfTheNorth](#): > > Who on earth hates him? I LOVE HIM. I once heard **Frodo** call him a goat-felching asshole. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=41)