# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/821 "2005-07-13T06:02:32Z")
Oh Holy FUCK! **Scott Plaid** isn’t a teenager OR a college student! In fact he isn’t even human! Douglas Adams wasn’t writing _fiction_ ! He’s a \*\*Vogon \*\*- compare: > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > If that was true, and a summery of how the situation seems to the poster violates the rules, then Shodan would have lost on the first day. Linky However, that is not how things work, according to John. Now, any other question? > [@Vogon Poetry](#): > > Oh freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me/ As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. Groop I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes. And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles/ Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don’t! Case Closed I win ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/822 "2005-07-13T06:05:04Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > **Very** fucking weird… I’m looking at this message right now, and my browser is telling me this is on “page 17 of 17”. Trippy! They probably have their preferences set to 40 posts per page (which would give them 21 pages). I’m on page 17, and mine is set to “Forum Default”, which appears to be 50 posts per page. This can be changed in the User Control Panel, under the “Edit Options” link (“Thread Display Options”). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/823 "2005-07-13T06:09:31Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > They probably have their preferences set to 40 posts per page (which would give them 21 pages). > > I’m on page 17, and mine is set to “Forum Default”, which appears to be 50 posts per page. Ahhhh, thank you for clearing up my ignorance. And I already went and made a screen shot to prove I’m not crazy, but the screen shot shows up as about the size of a postage stamp on photobucket. Drat! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/824 "2005-07-13T06:30:28Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > And I already went and made a screen shot to prove I’m not crazy More evidence than a screen shot may be required… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/825 "2005-07-13T06:33:11Z")
Good point. Hrm. Well, okay. In that case, I’ll point out that every night I talk with the mothership via one of the fillings in my teeth. Now, tell me, would a crazy person be allowed to talk to the mothership? I thought not. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/826 "2005-07-13T08:05:50Z")
> [@VegemiteMoose](#): > > I win Nope, I win because I said so.\* \ ***duffer**. Magna Cum Laud of the University of Plaid. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/827 "2005-07-13T10:18:34Z")
I will point out that I have [this](http://www.doctechnical.com/fst/img/ni/notinsane.gif). So, clearly, I am not insane. And, **Duffer** you cannot win. I’m sure **Scott** has disagreed with you before, being that you’re a moustache twirling evil conservative type guy. As such, you lose, he wins. It always happens like that. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/828 "2005-07-13T11:56:55Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > … For somebody who wins a ton of debates around here, … Ten bucks says our buddy links to this quote sometime in the future. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/829 "2005-07-13T11:59:53Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > …especially if it was something really esoteric, like he was raised in rural Estonia by a pack of cave wolves and his only exposure to language until recently was sniffing assholes and pissing in complete darkness. You may be on to something here. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/830 "2005-07-13T12:01:38Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > Ten bucks says our buddy links to this quote sometime in the future. 😃 And fifteen says he inserts random commas into it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/831 "2005-07-13T12:50:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And fifteen says he inserts random commas into it. Sayyyyyyyy… Coult it be that **Scott** read one of those “Commit random acts of _kindness_” bumper stickers and misread it as “_commas_”, maybe? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/832 "2005-07-13T13:06:52Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Sayyyyyyyy… > > Coult it be that **Scott** read one of those “Commit random acts of _kindness_” bumper stickers and misread it as “_commas_”, maybe? :dubious: Nah. I think he’s just a big fan of Boy George. You know, _Comma Chameleon_? _Comma comma comma comma comma chameleon … Insert’em here, Insert’em theeeeeee-ee-e-eeere …_ ---
**Author:** ![Liz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/liz/32/17737_2.png) [@Liz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liz)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/833 "2005-07-13T13:14:57Z")
_…winning would be easy if debating was like my dreams just incoherent thought streams just incoherent thought streeeeeeeams…_ Ah, shit. I got nothin’. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/834 "2005-07-13T13:21:02Z")
“Oh, comma, ye faithful, Joyful and triumphant Oh, comma, oh comma To beeee-eeat them all” ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/835 "2005-07-13T13:33:01Z")
Pttt. Mine’s still the best. I win! ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/836 "2005-07-13T13:33:17Z")
“They’re coming to take me away, Ha-Ha!” ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/837 "2005-07-13T13:37:13Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6357219&postcount=32) in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=325113) you asked for a cite that you believe you always win. > > I believe this thought has formed with people here because, > > 1. You refuse to accept when one of you points has been shown to be false. (for example, take a look at the whole Japanese internment thing earlier in this thread. Did you ever actually admit that you were wrong? It is possible that I missed it the 16 pages of this thread.) Well, let me see. It is true that there were internment camps. How did the government get the information of who to send to the internment camps? From what I can tell, it was that they were non-citizens, and the legal citizen relatives of them. It seems disingenuous to claim that the citizens relatives were not mentioned in the forms giving details of aliens. Thus, registration led to round ups of citizens. However, people are telling me I am wrong. What proof do I have? The wiki article, and my reading of [an old magazine article](http://www.giantrobot.com/issues/issuesindex.html). (article not available in archive) What proof does the other side have? Telling me I am wrong. Odd, that. You would think that if you want me to know I am wrong, you would tell me how it really went. I am going to go to a bookstore, and see what I can see on this issue, later today. > [@](#): > > 1. You stated somewhere in this thread that when you have the last post in a thread that you have won the thread. Rather than accept the possibility that someone has given up on you. I believe that if you have the last post in a thread it is because who ever you were debating either gets bored or frustrated with your logic. That sounds possible, save for the fact that in my experience, many people on this board never give up. Cite: this thread As far I can tell, people like Bricker don’t stop posting because they gave up, but because they have no argument to throw out. A case in point can be seen [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6351028#post6351028). > [@](#): > > I believe that your stating point #2 above in this thread is where people got the “I Win” joke. Many people have tried to suggest to you that the debates here are not necessarily a win/lose situation, but rather an attempt to try and open someone else’s mind to a different viewpoint. Actually, you might have noticed my agreeing on that point in many posts in this thread. > [@](#): > > But, you also need to be open to the possibility that your’s is not the only way to see any certain position. Also be open to the possibility that if someone does hold a different view on a subject, they aren’t necessarily wrong, they just view it in different terms. I agree with that point. You would see me doing just that, if the opposition differed about economic maters, or some other thing with no clearly definable right or wrong. That is not the case however. For everything I argue in support of here, (NPR, equal rights, etc.) my side has “There are better reasons for it then against it.” Meanwhile, the other side has “We can make a strawman of the argument, and poke holes in it.” One side is clearly correct, while the other side just takes what the president thinks is right, and struggles to defend it. > [@](#): > > I also must say that your constant pointing out that you have always “won” against **Bricker** seems absurd. I don’t see how. True, he might not have been convinced by my reasons, but in every past thread I can recall, he has had holes poked in his arguments by myself and others, and has failed to show how he really is correct. Where do you perceive his winning, ever? (I ask this with the full knowledge that “winning” is often not possible.) It seems that he tows the party line, for the most part. When absurdities of his defense are pointed out to him, he switches to another tack, without admitting he was wrong on the first point. (Sure I do something like it, but I hold that I was right the first time) Not very steady ground. Can you think of any discussions with me where he has clearly show himself to be right? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/838 "2005-07-13T13:39:20Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > I know. This is the point I was trying to explain to him earlier - making factual statements is _expected_. It’s nothing to be proud of, because it’s a basic expectation around here, like being potty trained. Of course there’s the occasional argument over a matter of fact, but people can usually resolve them calmly and rationally. **Scott** , on the other hand, declares “victory” when he’s _factually_ right, and won’t admit it when he’s factually wrong. The victory speech was not because I was right. That would tie in with what you are saying. No, it was because I clearly knew more about the subject, and yet Rick would not admit he was wrong on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/839 "2005-07-13T13:40:13Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > “They’re coming to take me away, Ha-Ha!” Don’t you mean “they’re _comma_ to take me away, Ha-Ha!”? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/840 "2005-07-13T13:41:21Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > No, it wasn’t. At least, not the post you were referring to. That particular post of **Sauron** ’s was in response to a joking comment by **tomndebb** , suggesting that more posters should participate in the “questions only” business and insinuating that there was a list. If **Sauron** was mocking anybody, it would have been himself (suggesting he was on the mods’ “list”), and/or the “jackbooted mods”. > > :::sigh::: Jokes just aren’t as funny when one has to explain them… Got it. It works as a joke when read the way I read it. However, that was not the intended meaning. Well, it looks like my laugh-track is busted, time to get a new one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=43)