# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/841 "2005-07-13T13:42:15Z")
> [@DogMom](#): > > Don’t you mean “they’re _comma_ to take me away, Ha-Ha!”? 😃 No, I got confused. I thought it was songs we _wished_ Scott was singing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/842 "2005-07-13T13:43:08Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Got it. It works as a joke when read the way I read it. However, that was not the intended meaning. Howsabout you ask me what the meaning was, Sparky? I mean, since I’m the one that posted it and all. Seems to me I’d know what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/843 "2005-07-13T13:43:28Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > No, I got confused. I thought it was songs we _wished_ Scott was singing. > > 😃 ::shrug:: Well, I always liked Herman’s Hermits. Where is the karaoke machine? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/844 "2005-07-13T13:46:59Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > Howsabout you ask me what the meaning was, Sparky? I mean, since I’m the one that posted it and all. Seems to me I’d know what I meant. That would be useful. However, people do not normally post to clarify remarks before posting, due to the fact that that would take too much time. I would have asked for a clarification, if I didn’t think I got it, but, it worked as a joke the way I read it. No need for any explanation, I thought. Obviously I was wrong, but still…. And don’t call me Sparky! ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/845 "2005-07-13T14:00:55Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > ::shrug:: Well, I always liked Herman’s Hermits. Where is the karaoke machine? Wasn’t Herman’s Hermits kind of a proto Boy Band? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/846 "2005-07-13T14:05:59Z")
> [@Tim Staab](#): > > Wasn’t Herman’s Hermits kind of a proto Boy Band? God damn it! Host by my own petard! Ten bucks says [del]our buddy[/del] you’ll link to this quote sometime in the future as an example of me admitting I was wrong. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/847 "2005-07-13T14:07:31Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > No, it was because I clearly knew more about the subject, and yet Rick would not admit he was wrong on the issue. Are you discussing the thread in which I referred to the Bar Kokhba and you didn’t know who he was? The thread in which you insisted the only historical claims about Jesus that a Jew could possibly accept as true would come from a time machine? Yes, you were certainly on your game there. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/848 "2005-07-13T14:08:03Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > God damn it! Host by my own petard! > > Ten bucks says [del]our buddy[/del] you’ll link to this quote sometime in the future as an example of me admitting I was wrong. 😃 Scott, if I ever link to it, it would be as an example of you taking a joke with good humor. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/849 "2005-07-13T14:33:00Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > “Oh, comma, ye faithful, > Joyful and triumphant > Oh, comma, oh comma > To beeee-eeat them all” Down doobee doo down down. Comma comma down doobee doo down down. Comma comma down doobee doo down down. Beating up is hard too-oo-oo do. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/850 "2005-07-13T14:37:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Are you discussing the thread in which I referred to the Bar Kokhba and you didn’t know who he was? The thread in which you insisted the only historical claims about Jesus that a Jew could possibly accept as true would come from a time machine? Yup, that one. You see, you refused to believe what the actual facts of the case was. And besides, what I said about a time machine was true. While I didn’t meant it seriously, the only way for a jew to accept a savior would be to personally witness them fulfilling all the proofs. If this “jesus” was the savior, the only way to witness it would have been a time machine. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/851 "2005-07-13T14:49:44Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Yup, that one. You see, you refused to believe what the actual facts of the case was. And besides, what I said about a time machine was true. While I didn’t meant it seriously, the only way for a jew to accept a savior would be to personally witness them fulfilling all the proofs. If this “jesus” was the savior, the only way to witness it would have been a time machine. How do you know He didn’t use one? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/852 "2005-07-13T14:51:05Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > How do you know He didn’t use one? Let me get this straight. By he, do you mean B.Rick? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/853 "2005-07-13T14:54:44Z")
Doh! I meant to say “Rick”, not B. Rick. “B” simply is not his first initial. ---
**Author:** ![gommsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bcef8e/32.png) [@gommsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gommsn)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/854 "2005-07-13T14:58:01Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Down doobee doo down down. > Comma comma down doobee doo down down. > Comma comma down doobee doo down down. > Beating up is hard too-oo-oo do. **Bricker**!!! A **Neil Sedaka** fan!!! Rock On!!! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/855 "2005-07-13T14:59:09Z")
> [@Scott](#): > > How did the government get the information of who to send to the internment camps? From what I can tell, it was that they were non-citizens, and the legal citizen relatives of them. It seems disingenuous to claim that the citizens relatives were not mentioned in the forms giving details of aliens. Thus, registration led to round ups of citizens. Does not compute. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/856 "2005-07-13T15:03:51Z")
**Scott** , You continue to amaze me. You were wrong on the internment issue. You were clearly demonstrated to be wrong. The executive order 9066, which ordered the internment, said that everyone with “foreign-enemy ancestry” was to be interned, not registered aliens and their relatives. Here’s a quote from Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > This order authorized military commanders to declare areas of the United States as military areas “from which any or all persons may be excluded.” It was eventually applied to one-third of the land area of the U.S. and was used against those with “Foreign Enemy Ancestry”; of those interned, 62% were Nisei, or American-born second-generation Japanese, with the rest being Issei, or Japanese resident-aliens. > **[Executive Order 9066](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Executive_Order_9066)** > > Executive Order 9066 was a United States presidential executive order signed and issued during World War II by United States president Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942. This order authorized the secretary of war to prescribe certain areas as military zones, clearing the way for the incarceration of nearly all 120,000 Japanese Americans during the war. Two-thirds of them were American citizens, born and raised in this country. > Notably, far more Americans of Asian descent were forcibl... Much of the historical discussion decrying this event has been directed at the fact that many of those interned were US citizens who were NOT the spouses or offspring of aliens. They just had Japanese, Italian or German ancestors. The government was able to find these people using census data, not alien registration data. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/857 "2005-07-13T15:04:22Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Yup, that one. You see, you refused to believe what the actual facts of the case was. And besides, what I said about a time machine was true. While I didn’t meant it seriously, the only way for a jew to accept a savior would be to personally witness them fulfilling all the proofs. If this “jesus” was the savior, the only way to witness it would have been a time machine. That wasn’t what I asked there, nor was it what I asked above. I asked there, and repeated above, “What HISTORICAL FACTS might a Jew accept about Jesus?” Anything. Did the man exist? About what time? Where did he live? Those are historical facts. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/858 "2005-07-13T15:11:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Anything. Did the man exist? About what time? Where did he live? Those are historical facts. Then why the hell did it go on for many pages about whether a jew could accept jesus as the savior? Well, okay then. The answer to your question is that there are no existing records that would allow a reasonable person (much less a jew) to believe in even least detail about jesus. Birthdate, what time he was alive, etc. Presumably, the best evidence in favor would be a detailed report from a trusted source, such as an archeology dig, telling of acts preformed by a person matching the description of the christian jesus. (As opposed to multiple other supposed sons of the sun god.) ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/859 "2005-07-13T15:11:22Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Well, let me see. It is true that there were internment camps. How did the government get the information of who to send to the internment camps? From what I can tell, it was that they were non-citizens, and the legal citizen relatives of them. They got it from that super secret list of American citizens, [the FUCKING US CENSUS](http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/intern05.htm) From that cite > [@](#): > > November 26, 1941 > Grace Tully (Roosevelt’s secretary) told Henry Field (anthropologist and aide to Roosevelt) that the President was ordering him to produce, in the shortest time possible, the full names and addresses of each American-born and foreign-born Japanese listed by locality within each state. She told him to use the 1930 and 1940 census. Was Field instructed to use lists garnered by the Smith Act? No, the US Census. That cite is a general overview of the timeline of interment, but it is itself well documented. If I had more time or desire, I would do all the footwork for you. > [@](#): > > It seems disingenuous to claim that the citizens relatives were not mentioned in the forms giving details of aliens. It also seems to be monumentally idiotic to claim that Japanese aliens would have to be be related to any American citizens, or would be compelled to list every known relative in the US. Or that every Japanese-American citizen would be related to at least one Japanese alien and be traceable that way. Of course, idiocy never stopped you before. > [@](#): > > Thus, registration led to round ups of citizens. No, it didn’t. > [@](#): > > However, people are telling me I am wrong. Because you are, but you will never admit it, since you are right 100% of the time. > [@](#): > > What proof do I have? The wiki article, and my reading of [an old magazine article](http://www.giantrobot.com/issues/issuesindex.html). (article not available in archive) I didn’t look up your specific Wiki cite, but this is from Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > The term Internment Camp is often used as a euphemistic equivalent in other historical contexts, such as the imprisonment by the United States of German-American people during both World War I and World War II, the internment of enemy aliens, and the exclusion and relocation (much of it forced) of \*\*American citizens born of enemy ancestry (including Japanese-Americans) \*\*during World War II. The relocation camps (such as Manzanar) in the 1940s did not involve extermination like Nazi death camps. Nevertheless, they remain a severe blot on the human rights record of the United States. Says American citizens. American citizens who were on record since they filled out a census, not because of some convoluted link to Smith Act list association to American citizens. I don’t know what to think of your link to Japanese comic books. > [@](#): > > What proof does the other side have? Telling me I am wrong. Odd, that. You would think that if you want me to know I am wrong, you would tell me how it really went. I am going to go to a bookstore, and see what I can see on this issue, later today. See, we HAVE tried to tell you how it really went. You just refuse to listen since, in your mind, you already have it all figured out. The [Cite](http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/intern05.htm) I gave earlier has a nice bibliography. Not that I would expect you to actually follow up on any of it, no need since you’ve already won. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/860 "2005-07-13T15:11:39Z")
I’m still following this thread out of shear bloody mindedness now. Anyone else thinking of the tag line from AVP ? 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=44)