# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/901 "2005-07-13T16:59:37Z")
Saul was a religious Jew, and he said Jesus was the Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/902 "2005-07-13T17:02:00Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > How about a forger? After all, Josephus, a religious jew would hardly be likely to have said “He was the Christ.” OK, you win. Josephus wasn’t really Josephus. Was it a contemporary forger? Or a medieval hoax? Or what? I’m a little slow, I guess. I thought that most of the original people who said “He was the Christ” were religious Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/903 "2005-07-13T17:14:45Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Wow, I’m like a celebrity now–the guy that made everyone give up on **Scott**! > > Sweet. > > I’m reading along, because this is bizarre and fascinating, and because people are pretty damned funny. Especially **Scott**. That’s about when I gave up. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/904 "2005-07-13T17:20:11Z")
> [@andros](#): > > (And if there’s ever substantial evidence to support the existance of Thomas Covenant, I want to see it so I can give that whiny fucker a swift kick in the slats.) Seconded! Outcast Unclean – and Unreadable! ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/905 "2005-07-13T17:30:46Z")
I think this might be a good time to display my sig. It appears to be quite apropos (3 cents to **Sauron** ). ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/906 "2005-07-13T17:32:42Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > That would be of [Dr. Johanson](http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/djohanson.html) fame. Scott would claim to be right, based on an article like [this](http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/leakey.htm) (note the domain, which is almost as good as giantrobot): > [@](#): > > In 1978 Mary Leakey found a trail of clear ancient hominid footprints of two adults and a child - some 3.5 million years old - impressed and preserved in volcanic ash from a site in Tanzania called Laetoli. They belonged to a new hominid species, best represented by the 3.2 million-year-old Lucy skeleton, which was found at Hadar, Ethiopia, by Donald Johanson . I, however, am happy to admit that I was talking out my ass. Thanks for the correction! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/907 "2005-07-13T17:33:46Z")
Thanks to you all. I’m new here, and this has been a fun and informative experience. Through the posts here, and by following links, I’ve learned a lot about how the board works, what kinds of people are here, and how discussions work (and don’t work). I’ve learned that there is no point in engaging in a discussion with **Scott Plaid**. I’ve never in my life encountered the amazing combination of proud, aggressive ignorance and verbal ineptness that he exhibits. He taught school? One shudders. I’ll probably wander away from this train wreck now (but morbid curiousity may draw me back). Thanks again to all. ---
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/908 "2005-07-13T17:35:05Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > Pttt. Mine’s still the best. > I win! Hah! Hardly. I clearly stated several posts above yours that I win. Also Duffer disagreed with me and as such the negative proves my positive. If you can’t grasp these simple debating points I really despair. Also from [this](http://portlandme.about.com/cs/moose/a/MooseMating.htm) site:“moose wins”. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/909 "2005-07-13T17:35:31Z")
**Scott** , have you yourself, ever been given the Turing test? Just asking. I have my reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/910 "2005-07-13T17:40:17Z")
Scott: you said there was but a sole reference to Jesus in one record. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of “Useful One”, he [Claudius] expelled them from Rome." Besides which, being expelled from roman hardly equals a crcifixion. That’s true. Perhaps Jesus was merely expelled from Rome, and never crucified. So what? That’s still a historical record of the man’s existence. > [@](#): > > Hah! [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus\_on\_Jesus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus) It’s unclear to me what “Hah!” means. You’ve quoted a cite that confirms what I said: it’s a historical reference to Jesus. That’s two. > [@](#): > > How about a forger? After all, Josephus, a religious jew would hardly be likely to have said “He was the Christ.” OK. The work may be a forgery. This is true, to a greater or lesser degree, of many works. But you can hardly deny that it’s a historical reference to Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/911 "2005-07-13T17:45:48Z")
> [@](#): > > But, look at the sign in the wiki article you linked to. Clearly, while the plan wording of the act would apply only to enemies, the existence of the act itself was used as justification to round up all people of Japanese ancestry. You have drawn a conclusion that is not supported by the evidence. You have made an assertion that is contradicted by the facts. Read the history of 9066. It was prompted by racist fears of “Japanese” not of aliens. The arguments used were to allow the military to set zones of security from which they could remove any persons that they did not trust (not limited to aliens). The decisions of whom to remove were decided by ethnic ancestry, without any regard to nationality or place of birth–one’s status as an alien did not enter into the determination in any way. The existence of “the act” (the Smith _Alien Registration Act of 1940_) **played no part** in the later decision to draw a line down the West Coast and imprison everyone of Japanese ancestry. It was not cited by Roosevelt in Executive Order 9066 (who did cite three other laws). It was not referenced by California Attorney General Warren or by General DeWitt(?) in their campaign to have such an order proclaimed. In fact, on December 7, FDR issued three separate Executive Orders that _were_ based on the Smith Act, one each for the Japanese, the Germans, and the Italians. The people named in those E.O.s were detained beginning on December 7 and the orders were considered to have been completed by December 9 with fewer than 2,000 people having been detained (about 1,200 of whom were Japanese nationals). Therefore, any subsequent internment was based on separate initiatives. Proceeding from these facts, we can see that the silly claim that “the existence of the act itself was used as justification to round up all people of Japanese ancestry” is either incredibly obtuse ignorance or incredibly self-serving falsehood. I still can’t figure out whether you’re dishonest or dumb, but you have been steadily whittling away any other possibilities. (I should note that it does not **have** to be an either-or construct.) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/912 "2005-07-13T17:46:25Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > **Scott** , have you yourself, ever been given the Turing test? > > Just asking. I have my reasons. DAMN! After reading this, I had to go pour myself a tasty beverage, sit back in front of the computer (my monitor seems to have finally retired back to his terrarium), fill my mouth with said beverage, reread your post, spew ungodly amounts of salivad and slightly warmed beverage all over my computer TV thingy (what? that’s also called a monitor? weird), and relate the news of this wonderful event to you all. DAMN! (again) ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/913 "2005-07-13T17:50:06Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > I have a Polaroid™ of the Last Supper. Piker. I have the check and the _Get Out Of Hell Free_ card he gave the waiter for a tip. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/914 "2005-07-13T17:52:25Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > **Scott** , have you yourself, ever been given the Turing test? > > Just asking. I have my reasons. I don’t get it. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/915 "2005-07-13T17:54:00Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Saul was a religious Jew, and he said Jesus was the Christ. So did 50 Shekel, and he is a religious Jew too. Of course, maybe [he doesn’t exist either.](http://forward.com/articles/3328) Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/916 "2005-07-13T17:56:28Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > I don’t get it. 😕 [The Turing test.](http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/) ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/917 "2005-07-13T18:00:23Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/918 "2005-07-13T18:04:21Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > I don’t get it. 😕 [Here you go](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test). [Here’s another](http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/919 "2005-07-13T18:07:47Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > I don’t get it. 😕 The Turing Test refers to a possible method to determine the presense of mind, thought, intelligence, and/or consciousness in an entity (whether mechanical or organic). I would fail. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/920 "2005-07-13T18:11:26Z")
Posts 916, 917, & 918 weren’t there when I hit submit. Told ya I’d fail. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=47)