# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/941 "2005-07-14T01:21:26Z")
And this surprises you why? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/942 "2005-07-14T01:21:32Z")
I’m not kidding, it’s been mentioned in this thread. He won’t capitalize “bush”, for example. ---
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/943 "2005-07-14T01:35:57Z")
Well I love bush! I can’t get get enough bush, but I’m not going to capitalize it either unless it’s a proper name or… oh, nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/944 "2005-07-14T01:39:20Z")
Yes, “get get”. It’s um… a colloquialism. Yeah that’ll do. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/945 "2005-07-14T01:50:58Z")
I don’t know about you guys, but I just can’t wait until **Scott** posts his book report from his trip to the book store this evening. I’m sure it will be…uhm…interesting, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![WilhelmGefallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9f8e36/32.png) [@WilhelmGefallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WilhelmGefallen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/946 "2005-07-14T07:06:01Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > …What proof do I have? The wiki article, and my reading of [an old magazine article](http://www.giantrobot.com/issues/issuesindex.html). (article not available in archive) … So you are asking people to believe that YOUR reading (which has been shown to be utterly unreliable) [Cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6361661&postcount=859) of an article in “Giant Robot” magazine is correct? The only issue I could see that seems to mention Japanese Internment Camps is #28, the description of which gives us: > [@ISSUE #28 (Spring 2003)](#): > > Uprisings: Kozyndan rock. We love them and they did a great cover for us. Designer Noriko Yasuda makes great stuff, Nikki Lee, Chong as in Cheech and Chong, Jon Moritsugu is back, Asian Sports Tragedies, Yellow Peril (racists comic covers), Scooters but Asian ones, **JA Concentration camp art** , Barry Bonds baseball saga, Margaret Leng Tan, Acid Mothers Temple, Harisu superstar (know her or him?), and author Mian Mian. This means to me that you are relying on your memory of a 2 year old article on the art of former detainees (based on the short description above). My assumption of this article is that at most it consisted of one or two sidebars and that you have used your _excellent_ reading comprehension, coupled with normal memory failings to misinterpret this article into something more to your own liking. You are now asking us to believe your facts, despite all evidence to the contrary, whilst not actually realising that even the cites that you have supplied dont tally with what you claim they do. If I were adjudicating this “debate” Bricker has one by a country mile, obviously YMV and as such you’ll probably just ignore this post as more Scott Plaid bashing. ---
**Author:** ![WilhelmGefallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9f8e36/32.png) [@WilhelmGefallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WilhelmGefallen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/947 "2005-07-14T08:16:29Z")
> [@stretch](#): > > …You told Bricker it wasn’t possible for a number of reasons. Bricker asked you if the people who believed some other guy\* was the possible Messiah, until he had the bad graces to die before fulfilling the requirements, were also wrong to believe he was the possible Messiah while he was fulfulling the requirments… > > …\*His name escapes me–remember I’m doing this from memory and I’m not up on this possible Messiah stuff on my own at all. I believe that the name you are trying to think of was Brian 😛 Oh and a quick thanks to all those who mentioned the Whose Line questions game, it reminded me to pick up Rosencrantz & Guildernstern are dead 😃 ---
**Author:** ![WilhelmGefallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9f8e36/32.png) [@WilhelmGefallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WilhelmGefallen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/948 "2005-07-14T08:16:46Z")
> [@stretch](#): > > …You told Bricker it wasn’t possible for a number of reasons. Bricker asked you if the people who believed some other guy\* was the possible Messiah, until he had the bad graces to die before fulfilling the requirements, were also wrong to believe he was the possible Messiah while he was fulfulling the requirments… > > …\*His name escapes me–remember I’m doing this from memory and I’m not up on this possible Messiah stuff on my own at all. I believe that the name you were trying to think of was Brian 😛 Oh and a quick thanks to all those who mentioned the Whose Line questions game, it reminded me to pick up Rosencrantz & Guildernstern are dead 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/949 "2005-07-14T12:38:52Z")
19 pages. I wonder if Scott’s learned anything yet. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/950 "2005-07-14T13:07:24Z")
> [@GingerOfTheNorth](#): > > 19 pages. I wonder if Scott’s learned anything yet. Did you know it’s possible to snort half-chewed banana out your nose? Not fun, and a helluva mess on the keyboard, but possible. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/951 "2005-07-14T13:11:20Z")
My cat snores. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/952 "2005-07-14T13:28:13Z")
This thread must be used as a touchstone, a standard to point to. Whenever a newbie (or an oldtimer, ftm) ((hell, anyone!!)) is close to going down the same delusional path, we must relate their current posts and behavior with this debacle. **Libbers** , you should see the sleep machine I have to attatch to my cat’s face every time it naps. Damn cat apnea… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/953 "2005-07-14T13:30:48Z")
Indeed this thread shall rise like a penis from the groin of Achilles. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/954 "2005-07-14T13:39:25Z")
I joined on 6/30, and this thing started on 7/1. Two weeks of quality entertainment, plus an education about the Pit and its denizens. This thread alone has been worth the price of admission. My cat also snores. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/955 "2005-07-14T14:55:59Z")
But I haven’t got a cat! What now? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/956 "2005-07-14T15:27:40Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > I’d like to see a case-law debate between **Scott Plaid** and **Beryl Mooncalf**. Okay, I’ll bite… Who’s Beryl Mooncalf? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/957 "2005-07-14T15:44:08Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Okay, I’ll bite… > > Who’s Beryl Mooncalf? Resident [Legal Expert](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=211820) ---
**Author:** ![gommsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bcef8e/32.png) [@gommsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gommsn)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/958 "2005-07-14T15:45:51Z")
A question please. Is there any way to recover from something this devastating? I haven’t been here very long either and I don’t feel I’m in any position to pass judgement on Scott or anyone else but I’m curious. I’ve seen you guys be very tough on certain people in certain situations and as well, very forgiving and understanding at other times. A trait much to be admired. But has Scott gone too far? Will he ever be given a semblance of credibility again? I ask this because I know how ardently he wanted to belong. It was obvious from his first post on his first day. The way he jumped right in and the seemingly partial acceptance he was given must have been very gratifying for him. Now that is all gone. Somewhere, deep down, below all the craziness that we saw, somewhere in the pit of his psyche, he must feel crushed. And before you call me out for being a bleeding heart, believe me, I’m not. I learned a long time ago, you reap what you sow. But as a newbie and as this is my first experience observing something like this, I’m simply curious. I’d be interested in your comments. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/959 "2005-07-14T15:53:59Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > Resident [Legal Expert](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=211820) Thanks, **Duke**. I thought maybe it was another poster, but a search turned up nothing. Because I didn’t realize there was an underscore in the username. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/960 "2005-07-14T15:59:25Z")
> [@gommsn](#): > > A question please. > Is there any way to recover from something this devastating? > > I haven’t been here very long either and I don’t feel I’m in any position to pass judgement on Scott or anyone else but I’m curious. > > I’ve seen you guys be very tough on certain people in certain situations and as well, very forgiving and understanding at other times. A trait much to be admired. But has Scott gone too far? Will he ever be given a semblance of credibility again? > > I ask this because I know how ardently he wanted to belong. It was obvious from his first post on his first day. The way he jumped right in and the seemingly partial acceptance he was given must have been very gratifying for him. Now that is all gone. Somewhere, deep down, below all the craziness that we saw, somewhere in the pit of his psyche, he must feel crushed. > > And before you call me out for being a bleeding heart, believe me, I’m not. I learned a long time ago, you reap what you sow. But as a newbie and as this is my first experience observing something like this, I’m simply curious. > > I’d be interested in your comments. People here are rather passionate in both attack and defense. All he need do to regain his reputation is change his behavior. Nobody has been blasted here more than I have, but I have also been praised. Former enemies are now cyber-pals. Case in point: ETF I have gone round and round, but we finally buried the hatchet and we’ve not had a problem since. It’s all up to Scott. Like I advised him earlier, a man who humbles himself tends to be uplifted by others, but a man who barges into a room with hubris will be smacked down in short order. He decided himself to spend this whole thread making an issue out of his being right. It is therefore being right, and not getting along, that he values. And that decision is his alone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=49)