# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/981 "2005-07-15T01:23:07Z")
> [@Tim Staab](#): > > I’m new, too, so this is an opinion based on limited experience. If Scott were to post a response to a post in Great Debates that stated a clear position, described and argued in complete sentences with correct spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation, with no logical flaws or fallacies, with a cite that was germane to the discussion, which actually supported his position and which was from a moderately credible source, I believe that a number of people who have taken part in this would happily address that post with respect. Ya think? I’m betting they’d ask “Who are you, and what have you done with **Scott**?” ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/982 "2005-07-15T01:56:43Z")
ahem! This thread is freakin unbelievable!! 20 pages??? ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/983 "2005-07-15T02:58:19Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Ya think? I’m betting they’d ask “Who are you, and what have you done with **Scott**?” Or, alternatively, post a link to the site from which he directly quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/984 "2005-07-15T07:17:27Z")
Joke I received today: > [@www.allowe.com](#): > > Reuben met with three of his rabbi colleagues every Sunday to argue philosophy. Inevitably, young Reuben would lose every debate. One day when he was convinced that his argument was right and the other rabbis were wrong, he turned his eyes to heaven and cried, “Lord! I know that I am right and they are wrong. Give us a sign!” Immediately, dark clouds formed and covered the sky. The other rabbis stroked their beards and said that didn’t prove anything. So again Reuben appealed, “Lord! They are still not convinced! Another sign, please!” And a bolt of lightening cracked from heaven and split a nearby tree. The other rabbis were still skeptical. Reuben cried, “Lord! One more! Something to show them that I am right!” And a deep voice boomed across the land: “HE… IS… RIGHT!” The other rabbis looked at each other and nodded. Then one said to Reuben, “Okay, so now it’s two against three!” ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/985 "2005-07-15T12:11:51Z")
> [@Sage Rat](#): > > Joke I received today: > > > [@www.allowe.com](#): > > > > Reuben cried, “Lord! One more! Something to show them that I am right!” And a deep voice boomed across the land: “HE… IS… RIGHT!” The other rabbis looked at each other and nodded. Then one said to Reuben, “Okay, so now it’s two against three!” Oh, great. Now he’s got someone on his side. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/986 "2005-07-15T12:14:34Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Ya think? I’m betting they’d ask “Who are you, and what have you done with Scott?” Good point. > [@Shodan](#): > > And a belated “Welcome to the SDMB” to you, Tim Staab. Thanks, Shodan. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/987 "2005-07-15T13:12:28Z")
This thread about **Plaid** has _definately_ gone the whole nine yards. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/988 "2005-07-15T13:23:44Z")
But it has yet to achieve a thousand and one slights. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/989 "2005-07-15T13:28:06Z")
[Frau Farbissina] _SCOOOOOOOOOOTT_ [/FF] I wish he’d come back and either support his argument about the interment camps or admit his mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/990 "2005-07-15T13:29:35Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > I wish he’d come back and either support his argument about the interment camps or admit his mistake. And as long as we’re wishing, I’d like a pony. [/Susie Derkins] ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/991 "2005-07-15T13:39:49Z")
I have to say, after following this with saying anything till about page 13 or so, I am impressed with a few of you. One fo the reasons why I rarely debate (besides the “no one ever changes their minds on major issues” issue I mentioned on that page, is because I tend to get mad and end up pot shotting and/or baiting, thus making it no longer a debate. (I blame everyone else, though.) But seeing some of you, on either side of the religio/political compass, holding fast to rational discussion in the face of tremendous odds… Well, I’m impressed. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/992 "2005-07-15T13:42:24Z")
Damn it all, I pulled a Plaid and didn’t preview. “…this with **out** saying…” ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/993 "2005-07-15T13:43:00Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > I wish he’d come back and either support his argument about the interment camps or admit his mistake. I went to the bookstore yesterday. No books specifically about the internment camps in stock, but there was quite a few overviewing history. According to the writers, the bill I am talking about caused the internment of American citizens. Thus, I am correct, right? Wrong. You see, the books simply said the following, more or less: “The act caused the imprisonment of Japanese-Americans.” That sentence, by itself, with no further details. That does not indicate a preponderance of evidence supporting my position. Instead, it supports that the author put no research into the camps. He simply put down what sounded like a good guess, and called it fact. Now, I am extremely hard headed. However, while I am “stupid” enough to not take a hint after a large group tells me I am wrong, after that group has said something long enough, and I have had time away from the computer to think things over, I will eventually get it. As far as I can tell, I am totally off base in regards to the issue. Seems like I see a connection, but it is not as clear cut as I thought it was, or the same manner of connection as I thought. True, I see a connection. However, that is likely to be a result of how I see what I meant to post, not what I actually typed. You might recall both myself and **Shodan** admitting to this, earlier in the thread. It is not the least a result of “denial”. P.S. Stay tuned for more [del]denial [/del]defense of past posts. P.S.S. Welcome, **Tim Staab**. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/994 "2005-07-15T13:50:54Z")
**Scott** , ma boy! See? Just like what we talked about so very long ago in Cafe Society (when we got warned for talking to each other?), that post made sense. At least, it did to me. Just keep quiet about the boy band thing, hmm? Van Halen is a boy band. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/995 "2005-07-15T13:53:31Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I went to the bookstore yesterday. No books specifically about the internment camps in stock, but there was quite a few overviewing history. According to the writers, the bill I am talking about caused the internment of American citizens. Thus, I am correct, right? > > Wrong. You see, the books simply said the following, more or less: “The act caused the imprisonment of Japanese-Americans.” That sentence, by itself, with no further details. That does not indicate a preponderance of evidence supporting my position. Instead, it supports that the author put no research into the camps. He simply put down what sounded like a good guess, and called it fact. Scott, This is an example of a problem you’re having in Great Debates. You really should cite the book(s) in which you found this. Try something like an APA citation. Here’s why. The source of a statement like “The act caused the imprisonment of Japinese-Americans” is very important. Was the book a history book by a respected author? Was the book a polemic against the US? It matters. Particularly when what you are claiming to have read contradicts what many of us have read for many years in many sources. Does that make sense? > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > P.S.S. Welcome, **Tim Staab**. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/996 "2005-07-15T13:56:04Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > …that post made sense. At least, it did to me. Indeed. Much more clear and easier to read than earlier posts. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > As far as I can tell, I am totally off base in regards to the issue Salute to you **Scott** , both for clearity and the ability to admit a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/997 "2005-07-15T13:57:01Z")
**Staab** , what i got out of his statement was the book DIDN’T support his idea. At least not well enough to stand up under inquirey. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/998 "2005-07-15T13:58:46Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Salute to you **Scott** , both for clearity and the ability to admit a mistake. Saying that **Scott** has “clearity” seems very fitting, somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/999 "2005-07-15T13:59:17Z")
> [@Ghanima](#): > > He seems to be posting less, or is it just me? I started [a thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=325200) in GD about non-hot button topic, posted a little bit in Cafe Society, and lurked a lot, just as I said I would, before I decided I needed to defend myself. > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > when we got warned for talking to each other? Shhhh… No talking in class. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1000 "2005-07-15T13:59:33Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > Saying that **Scott** has “clearity” seems very fitting, somehow. dammit :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=51)