# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1001 "2005-07-15T14:04:58Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > **Staab** , what i got out of his statement was the book DIDN’T support his idea. At least not well enough to stand up under inquiry. > > YMMV Yes, that is exactly it. Do you really want me to say [Don’t Know Much About History](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060083824/qid=1121436132/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-6481495-1725504?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) by [Kenneth C. Davis](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author-exact=Kenneth%20C.%20Davis/104-6481495-1725504), just to say that the situation seems to be just as everyone has told me it is? 😕 I would have figured that the claims made by others would have been enough for that. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1002 "2005-07-15T14:09:20Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > **Staab** , what i got out of his statement was the book DIDN’T support his idea. At least not well enough to stand up under inquirey. > > YMMV You’re right, he said he was wrong. But he then included a quote that I suspect is actually a paraphrase which once again affirms his view of the point that was at issue. My suggestion to him about a citation was an attempt to help him understand that sometimes the things he cites don’t actually say what he thinks they say, and that he needs to let those with whom he’s debating judge the citation for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1003 "2005-07-15T14:22:38Z")
**Scott** , I thought that your post about your bookstore results was a good post, and my suggestion may not have been appropriate when applied to that one. As a general suggestion, I think it’s valid. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1004 "2005-07-15T14:25:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In my view, Scott doesn’t see this as devastating. If asked, I think he’d say that some people were against him and some were for him, that he’s made good arguments and been right, and many people see that. Therefore, in Scott’s mind, nothing particularly bad has happened here. > > So before we go on – when you say “recover from” - who and what do you mean? I suspect that in Scott’s view, he has nothing to recover from. And in the collective view of the board, I’d opine that there can be no recovery without there first being a genuine understanding that there is something to recover from. > > So… probably not. > > But that’s just my guess. I’d love to be wrong. That is closer to how I feel, but not quite right. In fact, I see no defenders of this thread, in the least. True, jsgoddess, defended my being the only correct one, in past threads, and mentioned that here. However, jsgoddess was simply defending my claim to be intelligent, and sometimes perceptive, not my behavior in this thread. Also, fictional characters, like in **Sage Rat** ’s hilarious joke, don’t count. Still, however, I am not the least bit devastated by the post on this thread. While they do represent people’s feeling, they are still just words on a page, and do not affect me emotionally. > [@Tim Staab](#): > > But he then included a quote that I suspect is actually a paraphrase which once again affirms his view of the point that was at issue. Actually, I was simply reciting the exact quote from memory. (Taking into acount the fact that I read over other general-overview of history books that day, and it might have been in another book, instead.) True, I am likely to have left out excessive verbiage, but still, the sentence was pretty much was what I said it was. What part of “That sentence, by itself, with no further details.”, don’t you understand? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1005 "2005-07-15T14:26:52Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I went to the bookstore yesterday. No books specifically about the internment camps in stock, but there was quite a few overviewing history. According to the writers, the bill I am talking about caused the internment of American citizens. Thus, I am correct, right? What bill? All I’ve seen you harp on was the Smith Act. Show me some source where the writers say the Smith Act specifically lead to the interment of **American Citizens**. > [@](#): > > Wrong. You see, the books simply said the following, more or less: “The act caused the imprisonment of Japanese-Americans.” Sounds like to me you are pulling this shit from your ass. What “books”? They all said the exact same thing? Bullshit. “The act caused the imprisonment of Japanese-Americans.” What, the Smith Act again? All the “books” said this? > [@](#): > > That sentence, by itself, with no further details. That does not indicate a preponderance of evidence supporting my position. Instead, it supports that the author put no research into the camps. He simply put down what sounded like a good guess, and called it fact. Sounds like you put no effort into any “research”. In fact, this whole paragraph sounds exactly like your approach to the problem: Simply put down what sounds like a good guess and call it fact. Out of all the research you did, all you could come up with were some “books” (plural) that all said the same thing, “the act” with no reference to what act or anything. Bullshit. > [@](#): > > Now, I am extremely hard headed. However, while I am “stupid” enough to not take a hint after a large group tells me I am wrong, after that group has said something long enough, and I have had time away from the computer to think things over, I will eventually get it. As far as I can tell, I am totally off base in regards to the issue. You’ve been wrong from the start, people have repeatedly brought this to your attention, and now you use your “research trip to the bookstore” as an excuse to finally admit that you were wrong. > [@](#): > > Seems like I see a connection, but it is not as clear cut as I thought it was, or the same manner of connection as I thought. True, I see a connection. However, that is likely to be a result of how I see what I meant to post, not what I actually typed. Now this is more like it. The Scott we all know, rambling about some “connection”. You might have tried, “I thought the Smith Act led to the interment of American citizens during WWII, but after everybody and his dog told me I was full of shit, I took a day off so I could claim I went to the bookstore. When I came back, I admitted I was full of shit, but tried to place the blame on shoddy research done by the authors of the “books” I read.” > [@](#): > > You might recall both myself and **Shodan** admitting to this, earlier in the thread. It is not the least a result of “denial”. Quit trying to drag other people into this. **Shodan** has very little trouble expressing himself, stop trying to tie your shortcomings into any you perceive on his part. > [@](#): > > P.S. Stay tuned for more [del]denial [/del]defense of past posts. Why not just start with a clean, bullshit-free slate?? Trying to defend the contorted postulations you pass off as posts would just add to the trainwreck. Regroup, start fresh, but with some lucid thoughts this time. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1006 "2005-07-15T14:32:05Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > Why not just start with a clean, bullshit-free slate?? Trying to defend the contorted postulations you pass off as posts would just add to the trainwreck. Regroup, start fresh, but with some lucid thoughts this time. This thread needs to be dropped, then, and each individual topic reopened in GD/GQ/IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1007 "2005-07-15T14:36:20Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > What part of “That sentence, by itself, with no further details.”, don’t you understand? **Scott** , is this supposed to be devastating wit, sure to put me in my place? I make a gentle suggestion, when I was actually feeling more like what \*\*Duke of Rat \*\* just posted, and you feel the need to employ a trite and feeble put-down? Pretty childish, pal. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1008 "2005-07-15T14:38:12Z")
No, it was a simple question. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1009 "2005-07-15T14:43:10Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **Scott** has not yet demonstrated a grasp of one point: the truly remarkable, to me, amount of agreement among posters of all perspectives regarding his posts and attitudes. No grasp? 😕 What do you call the following? > [@me](#): > > However, as I read more and more posts, I see more lurkers who I have no idea of the personal views of, and so, I am forced to consider that there might be something to what people are saying. So, I will now post less, and review my viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1010 "2005-07-15T14:51:21Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > No grasp? 😕 What do you call the following? Something you said, then proceeded to take a week to actually _do_. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1011 "2005-07-15T14:55:30Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > No, it was a simple question. Right. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1012 "2005-07-15T14:56:33Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > No grasp? 😕 What do you call the following? > > > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > > > However, as I read more and more posts, I see more lurkers who I have no idea of the personal views of, and so, I am forced to consider that there might be something to what people are saying. So, I will now post less, and review my viewpoint. This is a twenty-page thread, probably in the top-five threads of all time on the boards, with opinion unanimously centered around the viewpoint that you don’t make much sense when you post. You characterized it as “… there might be something to what people are saying.” This is something of an understatement. Along the lines of Hiroshima being a somewhat mentionable event in the history of the Pacific theater in World War II. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1013 "2005-07-15T15:03:24Z")
**Scott** , i’m sorry. I really don’t want to keep flogging the poor horse. But I found the following interesting (emphases are mine): > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Actually, I was simply reciting the **exact** quote from memory. (Taking into acount the fact that I read over other general-overview of history books that day, and **it might have been in another book, instead**.) True, **I am likely to have left out** excessive verbiage, but still, the sentence was **pretty much** was what I said it was. What part of “That sentence, by itself, with no further details.”, don’t you understand? This seems to me to be somewhat indicative of many of your communication problems. ---
**Author:** ![Foaming\_Cleanser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Foaming\_Cleanser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foaming_Cleanser)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1014 "2005-07-15T15:03:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Scott Plaid** > I went to the bookstore yesterday. No books specifically about the internment camps in stock, but there was quite a few overviewing history. According to the writers, the bill I am talking about caused the internment of American citizens. Thus, I am correct, right? So, Scott, what’s your opinion of the Holocaust? Did it happen or not? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1015 "2005-07-15T15:15:01Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Just keep quiet about the boy band thing, hmm? Van Halen is a boy band. I don’t think a band qualifies as a ‘boy band’ when one of their members has had _hip surgery_. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1016 "2005-07-15T15:33:15Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Something you said, then proceeded to take a week to actually _do_. Problem with you’re saying that you haven’t actually watched my posting from over my shoulder. Had you done so, in person, you would have noticed that I posted one heck of a lot less in GD and browsed many past threads. True, I posted to this thread a lot too. However, that is the thing about tabbed browsing. It makes such things much easier to do. In fact, at this very moment, I am looking though past threads, in between my typing this. > [@Tim Staab](#): > > I’m new, too, so this is an opinion based on limited experience. If Scott were to post a response to a post in Great Debates that stated a clear position, described and argued in complete sentences with correct spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation, with no logical flaws or fallacies, with a cite that was germane to the discussion, which actually supported his position and which was from a moderately credible source, I believe that a number of people who have taken part in this would happily address that post with respect. > [@CandidGamera](#): > > Personally, I’d hijack a bomb shelter and start hoarding food, cause that’d be a sign of the end times. > [@Shodan](#): > > We might even cut him some slack on the spelling. > > If he does that fucking strikethrough thing, all bets are off. > > Regards, > Shodan Well, it doesn’t have, or require a cite, but how about my post [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=325041&page=2) ? Does that bring about the end of the world? No? How about [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6057515)? I am quite sure I can find many other examples. Most will not have cites within the posts, but they were readable, and understood by others. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1017 "2005-07-15T15:38:43Z")
> [@andros](#): > > This seems to me to be somewhat indicative of many of your communication problems. The same thing jumped out at me, and serves as a reminder to everyone that placing your irony-meter on or near the Internet voids the warranty. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1018 "2005-07-15T15:39:07Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > However, that is the thing about tabbed browsing. It makes such things much easier to do. In fact, at this very moment, I am looking though past threads, in between my typing this. Why don’t you simply concentrate on what you’re typing? Are the past threads so engrossing and useful to you that you can afford the distraction and the loss of concentration on your reply to this thread? What do you gain? ---
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1019 "2005-07-15T15:47:02Z")
**Scott** , next time you want to research something, I suggest going to a \*\*library \*\*instead of a book store. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1020 "2005-07-15T16:02:50Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Hell, it’s even possible that his linguistic foibles are limited to the written language, and that in-person, he’s insufferably arrogant but at least comprehensible. I tutored a couple college students that met that description, back in the day. > > Daniel This seems like a likely explanation. By the way, I was thinking about going to Gettysdope. I was thinking about what I should do so that people could realize that I am who I say I am. After all, I don’t look like a drooling idiot. Should I wear my Johns Hopkins Homewood campus I.D, or should I wear something in Blackwatch plaid? > [@This Year's Model](#): > > Why don’t you simply concentrate on what you’re typing? Are the past threads so engrossing and useful to you that you can afford the distraction and the loss of concentration on your reply to this thread? What do you gain? I gain free entertainment. Some of these past threads are quite dry. ::shrug: > [@VegemiteMoose](#): > > **Scott** , next time you want to research something, I suggest going to a \*\*library \*\*instead of a book store. That is a very good suggestion. Since I am not brain dead, I have done so in the past, as a matter of fact. However, my schedule yesterday did not permit me to visit a library. However, the bookstore was near my daily commute, so I went there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=52)