# Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794 "2005-07-02T03:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1061 "2005-07-16T02:20:26Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Model, you want me to stop doing this? Well, it is not because I enjoy attention. It is because I simply do not understand what is wrong. Thus, the way to stop me would be to tell me what, preciously was wrong with my posting: “Whoops, if it was the thread I thought it was, I would have been right. However, it wasn’t. Well, I admitted to it, earlier in this thread” Break it down for me, if you want me to understand, 'hokay? The part of your post I quoted was, in my opinion, very nearly completely senseless. You have admitted that you do not pay full attention to what you are typing, and it shows, **Scott** , it shows. Your brain is, again in my opinion, very nearly completely impenetrable. After all these posts, all these explanations, all these examples, you still cannot understand why so many people have an issue with you. I no longer believe that you are still in this thread in the hopes of learning anything. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1062 "2005-07-16T02:20:31Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Thus, the way to stop me would be to tell me what, preciously was wrong with my posting: “Whoops, if it was the thread I thought it was, I would have been right. However, it wasn’t. Well, I admitted to it, earlier in this thread” Break it down for me, if you want me to understand, 'hokay? How did your confusion about what sort of thread it was happen? Nobody else reading or participating in these threads seems to become confused about what sort of threads they are. How does your confusion arise? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1063 "2005-07-16T02:23:32Z")
P.S. Your link in post #1058 is broken. P.P.S. It is P.P.S., not P.S.S. ---
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1064 "2005-07-16T02:41:20Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > P.S. Your link in post #1058 is broken. > > P.P.S. It is P.P.S., not P.S.S. Well sure, **now** he’ll Google it and say that either he’s right or you’re wrong or Google’s broken or giant space llamas have taken over the internet or … zzzzzzt brain error… reboot… … Why yes, I do indeed agree with Scott Plaid. He makes the best points _sparkle_ with clarity and wit. Why just the other day I was chatting with Zeus and Underdog and we all agreed that the name of the place should be changed to the “Scott Plaid Message Board”. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1065 "2005-07-16T02:48:20Z")
I said the following: “i would laugh at any jew who claimed to believe in Jesus” Believe, in that case, has a very definite theological meaning. However, apparently, that was not what you meant. You asked me how. When I told you, you preceded to bring possible scenarios in which a jew could accept Jesus, as a historical figure. I told you how it would not really be possible. Somewhere in the discussion, you asked a question which I misinterpreted. Thus, rather then go in the direction you were asking about, it continued in the vein I mention, rather then how you intended it to go. > [@Bricker](#): > > Nobody else reading or participating in these threads seems to become confused about what sort of threads they are. Well, for one thing, I “know” when I am the only one who is correct. For another thing, it you keep on using words that have specific theological meanings out of their context. I will bold the relevant parts: > [@Bricker](#): > > So I’m asking you – apart from the disconnect between Christian and Jewish views of ‘Messiah’ – or, as you might put it, given that it has fuck-all to do with how the word ‘Messiah’ is used in reality – is that the only reason you’d laugh in the face of a Jew who claimed to have **accepted Jesus**? > > Or to ask it in a simpler way: if a Jew told you he believed that Jesus was a man, not a divine being, and was\*\* the _moshiach_ spoken of in Jeremiah and Isaiah\*\*, would you laugh in his face, and, if so, why? Besides which, [Sampiro](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6187999&postcount=175) read your posts the same way I did. Also, it seems as if [Polycarp](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6208263&postcount=246) responded to the same thread I read, as opposed to the one you read. However, I might have been wrong about this. ---
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1066 "2005-07-16T02:54:56Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Thus, rather \*\*then \*\*go in the direction you were asking about, it continued in the vein I mention, rather \*\*then \*\*how you intended it to go. **Scott** do you _really_ not get this yet or are you just choosing to ignore **factual** advice as well as posting advice? bolding by me for clarification ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1067 "2005-07-16T03:20:46Z")
> [@VegemiteMoose](#): > > **Scott** do you _really_ not get this yet or are you just choosing to ignore **factual** advice as well as posting advice? I was wondering if some one would catch that! But really, I am a horrible speller, and, as I have already said, unable to see problems with my own posts. Thus, I run it thought a spell check. Why don’t I also run it though a grammar check? I can’t seem to find it in Open Office, that is why. Oh, also, here is a corrected link. [A thread about the Sun god’s son.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=313921&highlight=jesus) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1068 "2005-07-16T03:24:21Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Well, for one thing, I “know” when I am the only one who is correct. From vast experience, no doubt. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1069 "2005-07-16T03:30:01Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Btw, here is a link to a previous thread regarding the claim that Jesus was a historical personage. Interesting note. It ended with someone saying some logically indefensible claims, and no one calling them on it. Interesting. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Oh, also, here is a corrected link. [A thread about the Sun god’s son.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=313921&highlight=jesus) Why is that interesting? What do you deduce from it? Do you deduce that because the poster’s “logically indefensible claims” went unanswered and unrefuted that the poster won the debate? Because that is exactly what you seem to claim on your own behalf. Please, make it clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1070 "2005-07-16T03:34:12Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I was wondering if some one would catch that! Then you noticed it? Was it carelessness or laziness that caused you to post mistakes that you _knew_ existed? Idle curiousity here, **Scott**. What is your highest official educational degree? What do you do for a living? I’ll go first, if it helps: GED. Oracle forms/reports & pl/sql, and cobol programmer. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1071 "2005-07-16T04:02:06Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > I was wondering if some one would catch that! Scott, I came across this thread and WHEW! You are tenacious. Good for you. A few posts back you asked for constructive advice; as someone who has written advertising for years, here is what I would offer: 1. After you type your post, take a minute or two to breathe–go get a soda, make a phone call–then try to read it out loud. The greater the time between your writing and your reading the closer you’ll get to seeing what the reader sees. There have been many times that I put things aside for a week just so I can read it with a clean head. 2. Since what we intend to communicate is already in our heads, it’s easy to read over something and assume it makes sense. So when you read things over, DON"T give your writing the benefit of the doubt. Keep your audience top of mind. I would bet that there are passages you’ve written that seem a little awkward to you, but then you talk yourself into thinking they are fine. We all have a tendency to default to that, but the risk is unclear writing. 3. Embrace editing. Editing your own writing not only benefits the reader, but you, as well. Sometimes when we struggle to piece a paragraph together and are having a hard time, it is not a writing problem, but a logic problem. Countless times this has caused me to reconsider my thinking. Things wind up clearer in my head, and subsequently, on the page. 4. Read good writers. Especially journalists who right in a shorter form. Molly Ivins is very good. So is Ann Coulter (WRITIING, not ideology.) There are many others. I’d pay particular attention to how easily their arguments flow. How clear they make each of their points. I’ve learned in my few weeks in GB that this forum tempts one to be lazy. I’ve succumbed and have been embarrassed by my own sloppiness, whether called on it or not. I have been slowing myself down. Remember, the “Submit Reply” button will be there ninety seconds later. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1072 "2005-07-16T04:45:52Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Model, you want me to stop doing this? Well, it is not because I enjoy attention. It is because I simply do not understand what is wrong. You don’t know what’s wrong. 21 pages of many people pointing out exactly what is wrong. You evidently just cannot comprehend the written word. That’s one thing. Another thing is you cannot communicate via the written word. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Put your hands over your head, and set away from the psychoanalysis. Step away, perhaps? See how just one sentence into this and already you are not making sense. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > The post was meant to show examples of me being acting intelligent. Being or acting? I didn’t know you could use both at once unless maybe being/acting. At any rate, here you are proclaiming your intelligence and fuck even THAT up. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Thus, the way to stop me would be to tell me what, preciously was wrong with my posting: Your posting is preciously wrong? Preciously _little_ was wrong with your post? WTF does THAT mean? Or were you trying to say, “…tell me what, **precisely** , was wrong with my posting” Can you not grasp how hard it is for people who use English as their first language to decipher what you are even ATTEMPTING to say?? > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > “Whoops, if it was the thread I thought it was, I would have been right. However, it wasn’t. Well, I admitted to it, earlier in this thread” Break it down for me, if you want me to understand, 'hokay? How many of your posts do we have to break down for you? I’ve broke a few down, not that you would notice. Hasn’t made a lick of difference, you still pump out the same stupid shit. Copping a condescending attitude while challenging people to “break down” your posts isn’t going to go well for you. > [@Scott Plaid](#): > > But really, I am a horrible speller, and, as I have already said, unable to see problems with my own posts. Thus, I run it thought a spell check. Why don’t I also run it though a grammar check? I can’t seem to find it in Open Office, that is why You could spell every word correctly and it WOULD NOT MATTER! The CONTENT of your posts is so fundamentally flawed that if a few spelling errors were the only thing wrong, you might get a mild ribbing over it. So you blame it on a grammar checker. Well, you need to blame a syntax checker, a context checker, a fact checker, a content checker, all the things everybody ELSE uses their brain for. Remember back a few hundred posts ago where you said you would try to alter your posting style? And remember how I made the analogy that putting a Mercedes hood ornament on a Yugo would not make it a Mercedes? That’s what I was trying to say. Changing the “style” of your posts will not help. So what’s wrong? I think there is a distinct possibility that you, Scott, might just be an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1073 "2005-07-16T06:03:24Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Well, for one thing, I “know” when I am the only one who is correct. So how is that omniscience thing working out for ya? ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794/1074 "2005-07-16T12:06:11Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > Model, you want me to stop doing this? Well, it is not because I enjoy attention. It is because I simply do not understand what is wrong. Thus, the way to stop me would be to tell me what, preciously was wrong with my posting…" If twenty pages aren’t enough to get the job done for you, whatever job that might be, then there’s no point in letting this grind on any longer. Locked. Staked through the heart and buried at crossroads, actually. Veb [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scott-plaid-stand-up-or-shut-up/310794.md?page=53)