# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2001 "2009-10-25T21:42:22Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > BTW, I’m perfectly happy to go walk into the Forbidden Thread without a spacesuit if Town asks me to, but not until Tomorrow so I have a chance to pass on Gryff’s little giftie. The mods said you can’t play the music box message, can’t you paraphrase it as per other PMs? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2002 "2009-10-25T21:45:53Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > If I’m 3rd party, why haven’t I already collected from jpei? Why take a stab into a larger pool of players in an attempt to find the Head Screamer? (If I’d collected from jpei tonight, I’d have had a better chance of finding them after last night’s kills and toDay’s lynch). Why did I claim on day 2, turning myself into a target for NKs and blocks? (If Peeker’s claim had been false, I might have been blocked night 2, preventing me from confirming Gryff). > > To the evilish roles, we can add Gryff’s tiara and OaOW’s ineligability to be leader. So you can collect from dead players? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2003 "2009-10-25T21:50:32Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > To the evilish roles, we can add Gryff’s tiara and OaOW’s ineligability to be leader. /snipped Well, almost all roles so far have had an evilish element although some of these may be standard characteristics of each role: - **Thing Fish** ’s “die to protect” means he was unlikely to use his powers much - **Peeker** ’s “find someone being killed by a Screamer” in order to activate his Doc powers was also a little cruel. - **Jpei** ’s “steal the show for a day” once off power which exposed him - The politician’s use of the vote buying power on **Thing Fish** was evilish. - And finally, if **TexCat** actually was killed during a recruitment mission, someone else has a pretty good retaliatory power ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2004 "2009-10-25T22:05:13Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Just checking in. > > Oh, yeah, I’m now in Seoul, Korea. > > Now that is **mod commitment** , people! > > Mahaloth Sweet, eat some kimchi for me. I was planning on voting for Daphne but that’s kinda out but I guess the next most confirmened townie is Boozy so that’s where I’m going to put my leader vote. **Elect Boozy** and with Alka revelation we’ll also get to see if the leader can be pro town by shortening the Day to 48 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2005 "2009-10-25T22:06:54Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > The mods said you can’t play the music box message, can’t you paraphrase it as per other PMs? It would do no particular good. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2006 "2009-10-25T22:15:12Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > If I’m 3rd party, why haven’t I already collected from jpei? Why take a stab into a larger pool of players in an attempt to find the Head Screamer? (If I’d collected from jpei tonight, I’d have had a better chance of finding them after last night’s kills and toDay’s lynch). Why did I claim on day 2, turning myself into a target for NKs and blocks? (If Peeker’s claim had been false, I might have been blocked night 2, preventing me from confirming Gryff). > > To the evilish roles, we can add Gryff’s tiara and OaOW’s ineligability to be leader. On #2, I think you were honestly convinced you’d caught the scum, in which case you’d have been golden with Town for catching a scum, and of no further threat to the scum (apart from being confirminated). However, I admit I’m not sure why you would have gone fishing for scum instead of grabbing jpei’s gold today. I wish there was some way we could put it out of your reach. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2007 "2009-10-25T22:16:16Z")
Hey, **Digger** , am I being crazy about the Alka thing? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2008 "2009-10-25T22:22:24Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > The mods said you can’t play the music box message, can’t you paraphrase it as per other PMs? Actually, I guess having gone public with it I might as well say what it does. It initially played “it’s a small world”. I left it running overnight as I slept. Now, it says “I am Thomas Scud. I am a Town [role redacted]. Please help.” I will send it to someone tonight, who can confirm or deny the message and send their own message. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2009 "2009-10-25T22:24:17Z")
I’m fine with being leader, and fine if Alka is leader. In either case, this should be a happily uneventful day: now that the cat’s out of the bag (ahem), there’s not a heck of a lot that we can expect in terms of fruitful conversation for the day. I can do a quick leader vote (sometime around, say 4pm EST this time?) in order to whisk us off to another night. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2010 "2009-10-25T22:25:34Z")
On “evilish” - I see what y’all mean. I was mainly interpreting the word as meaning “evilish to other players” not “evilish to the person who has the role”, but I see where you’re coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2011 "2009-10-25T23:29:17Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Hey, **Digger** , am I being crazy about the Alka thing? I’m really not sure but I really don’t see what we can do about it. If alka is town all his lynch will do is allow a known scum to live another Day, or hope we have a vig. If alka is scum then either we don’t lynch the head screamer and Alka dies tomorrow or we do and he builds some townie cred, good news you’re watching him. The third option is Alka is third party in which case we lynch scum and he builds townie cred but scum have to worry about third party too so they kill him since at point town won’t lynch him before he wins. There really is no advantage to lynching Alka toDay since two out of the three options have us lynching scum otherwise and if the third options hits we’ll lynch scum toMorrow. I think we have to leave any third party fears to the scum to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2012 "2009-10-25T23:46:02Z")
Well, I’ve given it a bit more thought, and I don’t think my initial scenario holds up for one reason: there’s no reason at all for a third-party Alka to tell us that he’d found the Head Screamer’s gold. Even assuming that for whatever reason he decided to go scum hunting instead of first grabbing the easy jpei loot, he could just have, upon finding the scum trove, let the day go forward, let me try to fight off a mislynch, and then grabbed jpei’s bling and rocketed off. So yeah, I’ll withdraw my objection. **unelect Boozy** **elect Alka** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2013 "2009-10-25T23:52:01Z")
(It does strike me as barely possible that Cat is a bling Miller, but if so he should have bloody well said so when Alka made his claim on Day 2.) ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2014 "2009-10-26T00:00:09Z")
**Tom** , your discussion of the music box has given me an idea as to what my item might do. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2015 "2009-10-26T01:17:00Z")
i don’t really care who out of Alka or Boozy gets elected leader. But I figure if I am going to trust Alka that Cat is Scum, then that is good enough for trusting as a leader, too. **elect Alka** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2016 "2009-10-26T01:26:10Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > BTW, I fully expect to be vig’d tonight; I think if I’m not, we’ve got a reasonable indication that we have a serial killer and not a vig out there. > > Given that, I think the best place for Town to go looking for scum tomorrow is in the later slots in the Chronos bandwagon, particularly the people who were votes 4 + at the time. > > That would be Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl, Gryff, DaphneBlack, CatInASuit, OaOW, Boozy Squid, plus AllWalker. > > Of those, Gryff and Daphne are our two most confirmed-by-mechanics Townies - I suspect one of them will be dead by scum nightkill as well. Boozy is also sufficiently confirmed-by-mechanics that I don’t think we should be looking at him yet. > > Oredigger I think is somewhat confirmed by [this Chitwood post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11612422&postcount=503), which just doesn’t make sense as a scum-partner post; if Chitwood was trying to throw Digger under a bus for Town cred, he would have done it more obviously. Also I think that Digger, while he’s been here, has been very Townie in general in his posts. > > That leaves Diver, Tilt, OaOW, and AllWalker; I’m reasonably confident there will be at least one and probably more scum in that group. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > NETA: And CatinaSuit. Even though I didn’t vote yesterDay, I was hardly late to the bandwagon. I made [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11676089&postcount=1669) six or so after you placed your vote. Had I thought I was going to miss the end of the Day I would have voted before going afk. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2017 "2009-10-26T01:38:50Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > If you’re Town, you are one unfortunate mofo. That’s me. I feel like one of the designated victims in Final Destination, part seventy-three. I’ve lived too far past Day 1; Death is coming to get me. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2018 "2009-10-26T01:42:47Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > The 180 degree flip on Drain in his last 2 posts is interesting (though there was a couple-day gap between posts.) It wasn’t a flip. Prior to the end of Day I was speculating on \*\*Drain’s \*\*motivation for asking for her own lynch. Knowing **Chronos** ’ alignment led me to strongly consider the possibility she was protecting him. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > He also flips from thinking speculation on night kills is unuseful to speculating on night-kills; there was a full Night’s worth of data between those posts though, so this is not necessarily inconsistent. Exactly. Speculating on night kills after Night 1 is almost always wasted time. After two Nights, there is enough data to be worthwhile. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Also, and this is metagamey and kind of unfair, I strongly suspect that Chronos has been posting updates about his program on the scum board all along; Diver’s irritation at the program in his vote post might have reflected an irritation with those postings. Nah, my irritation is strictly due to my past experience with the program and reflects what I said in thread: it is based on an unprovable assumption and is easily manipulated by Scum. **elect Alka Seltzer** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2019 "2009-10-26T01:54:05Z")
**elect Alka Seltzer** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2020 "2009-10-26T02:54:37Z")
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