# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2021 "2009-10-26T03:34:45Z")
Because I’m feeling insomniac, a quick lookie at CatinaSuit’s posts. First, [here’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11672384&postcount=1591) my previous WoW. Only thing that jumps out at me that I haven’t mentioned previously is that CiaS took a couple pokes at AllWalker over the whole day-end timing issue. Also, if I’d taken another look at the WoW earlier, I’d have noticed that I’d pre-emptively FOS’d Cat if Freudian turned out Town. Looking at Cat’s posts since, he looks like he was playing “good townie” on Day 3 - maybe better that Alkie didn’t read past page 18 :). I guess he could have been trying to cover for an inactive-scum tiltawhirl in his WoW on her; the only other bit that jumps out at me, sad as I am to report it, comes from the conclusion to [his wall of words on Normal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11687678&postcount=1822): > [@](#): > > Now, it could be that Tom Scud and Normal Phase are teamed together, but to both stick their necks out like makes the thought really unlikely. > > Could one of them be trying to save Chronos? Unlikely. I have a feeling Tom Scud is doing what he thinks is right and voting for the player he thinks is scummiest otherwise I see no reason for the votes at the start of today. Normal Phase may be, given the immediate jump, but she has followed on from arguments used since her started making them. > > Could DB and DB be part of a scum team together and are trying to get some cross confirmation? Possible. No, I think it unlikely. DaphneBlack is looking increasingly townie, but the same cannot be said for Drain Bead. The whole point of that (in addition to doing the “look at Townie me doing a wall of words” thing) could have been to get the smudge of Drain in at the end. But the snuggling of me and Normal supra doesn’t look great for us, and of course especially for me. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2022 "2009-10-26T03:50:22Z")
I’m also reminded, on reread, that I not only voted CiaS on Day 2 (before shifting to Thing Fish pbuh), I also voted Cat on Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2023 "2009-10-26T08:07:24Z")
**Elect Alka** ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2024 "2009-10-26T09:04:04Z")
**Elect Alka Seltzer** ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2025 "2009-10-26T09:37:51Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > **Elect Alka Seltzer** > > Who is feeling rather pleased with himself. Half-baked was good enough this time. Last night I gave **CatInASuit** a thorough auditing, and turned-up berynium. He is the **Head Screamer**. Well, it’s not like I didn’t give you a very large hint about asking for berynium overNight. I would have been disappointed if you missed it. > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > What CatInASuit has to say is irrelevant, as he is scum. > > You mean 4th roleblocker. If Daphne was NK’ed I don’t know if her block would go through or not. The other possibilities are that 2 killers targeted Daphne (which is plausable if we have an SK), or we have a non-compulsive vig. > > CatInASuit’s death will confirm me. Nope, not scum. Definitely screamer, but not scum. It also won’t confirm you as well, but I do think you are Town, third party just doesn’t make sense. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > (It does strike me as barely possible that Cat is a bling Miller, but if so he should have bloody well said so when Alka made his claim on Day 2.) Bling miller - I like that and probably accurate. I have no problems with Alka Seltzer being leader for the Day because I do think he is town. Of course, the fact he has been confirming townies, left, right and centre should perhaps have given him a clue that he was only there to confirm townies. 😛 **elect Alka Seltzer** I suppose you lot would like a role claim. Paraphrased along these lines I am a Model 5 **Town Aligned Screamer**. I was living in the town before the other screamers came. The berynium came from sources, some legitimate and some not so legitimate. I was the **Head Screamer** , but I was enjoying watching the little fleshlings run around. I was approached by the Scum Leader, a model 5 Screamer like myself, to see if I wanted to join their group in killing the rest of the town, but I declined. However, he did deactivate my ability to kill, so if I did find him again I would not be able to take the logical step and deal with the problem. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t find him again. However, it looks like someone killed him on Night 1. That’s right, I believe Jimmy Chitwood was the Scum Leader, as he was a Screamer 5. I don’t believe there are two of us in the game. He is not marked as godfather, because I had a small chance of the finding him. If you are wondering why I didn’t claim miller. I look and act like vanilla despite not being vanilla. I believe the same would have gone for JC as well. So, here I am now, after Night 1, effectively vanilla. Irony at its finest. Here is a list of the people looked at Night 1: Tom Scud Night 2: Daphne Black Night 3: Guiri En Espana None of these are the Scum Leader. I keep checking, you never know, maybe I was wrong about JC, but I don’t think so. Any questions? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2026 "2009-10-26T10:29:08Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > I was approached by the Scum Leader, a model 5 Screamer like myself, to see if I wanted to join their group in killing the rest of the town, but I declined. However, he did deactivate my ability to kill, so if I did find him again I would not be able to take the logical step and deal with the problem. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t find him again. /snipped Out of curiousity… Were you approached by the Scum Leader during the game or is this part of your role PM? ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2027 "2009-10-26T10:46:51Z")
It’s a heartwarming story of bad robots gone good, but I’m not finding it very likely. > [@CatInASuit](#): > > Well, it’s not like I didn’t give you a very large hint about asking for berynium overNight. I would have been disappointed if you missed it. Link please. If it does exist, I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2028 "2009-10-26T11:59:30Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > I am a Model 5 **Town Aligned Screamer**. I was living in the town before the other screamers came. The berynium came from sources, some legitimate and some not so legitimate. I was the **Head Screamer** , but I was enjoying watching the little fleshlings run around. Having watched the movie on the weekend, I feel I have to say that there was a ‘friendly’ screamer in it. However I don’t believe **CatInASuit** ’s claim, it relies on **Alka** ’s Role information to be incorrect. As we are not in a gastard game then everything in our role PMs has to be true. Worst case we lose a vanilla town screamer (sure…), but more likely we are toasting the Head Screamer. If **Cat** is not a head screamer then we must look at **Alka** closely. I will be voting for **Cat** ’s head as soon as lynch votes open up. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2029 "2009-10-26T12:31:31Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > However, it looks like someone killed him on Night 1. That’s right, I believe Jimmy Chitwood was the Scum Leader, as he was a Screamer 5. I don’t believe there are two of us in the game. He is not marked as godfather, because I had a small chance of the finding him. I don’t buy it. Not just because of the sheer improbability of it, but it doesn’t fit what we already know. If Model 5s are supposed to be Head Screamers **Jimmy** would have been called a Head Screamer too. Nah, I see this as a Scum ploy, the only ploy that works after being outed - try to sow confusion. Expect my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2030 "2009-10-26T12:43:03Z")
Yeah, the big problem with this is that it’s not testable. I fully expect **Alka** to die toNight if we let **Cat** live to test the claim, and then we’re stuck without the knowledge of whether or not **Jimmy** had berynium. Sorry, but you’re going to die toDay. If you’re Town, then we know **Alka** was lying about his role. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2031 "2009-10-26T12:54:30Z")
Well, if it’s an attempt to sow confusion, it’s a cruddy one, at least on its face. It’s not like he said anything that remotely indicates he should not be lynched. Even if he’s telling the truth, we’re not near LyLo; we can afford to lynch a “miller”. The only thing that might really qualify as confusion is his little list of not-Head-Screamers there, which could turn into major WIFOM if he does flip Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2032 "2009-10-26T12:59:18Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > The only thing that might really qualify as confusion is his little list of not-Head-Screamers there, which could turn into major WIFOM if he does flip Scum. Considering he knows he has been caught by this post I would expect anything in there to be designed purely to cause confusion. I would act as if this post did not exist (assuming he comes up as **head screamer** when lynched). If he comes up as **Town Head Screamer** then I think we should put **Pedescribe** up for next lynch 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2033 "2009-10-26T13:00:23Z")
I’m sure I’ll regret this, but … > [@CatInASuit](#): > > I was approached by the Scum Leader, a model 5 Screamer like myself, to see if I wanted to join their group in killing the rest of the town, but I declined. However, he did deactivate my ability to kill, so if I did find him again I would not be able to take the logical step and deal with the problem. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t find him again. > > However, it looks like someone killed him on Night 1. That’s right, I believe Jimmy Chitwood was the Scum Leader, as he was a Screamer 5. I don’t believe there are two of us in the game. He is not marked as godfather, because I had a small chance of the finding him. What do you mean by “I don’t believe there are two of us in the game”? I read that a couple of times, but can’t parse it. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2034 "2009-10-26T13:12:17Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > /snipped > > Out of curiousity… Were you approached by the Scum Leader during the game or is this part of your role PM? Approached as part of PM. **Alka Seltzer** , link to the obvious berynium question. Drain Bead, it should also answer your question as well. > [@CatInASuit](#): > > And possibly the following as well. > > **Hey Mods, was any berynium found on Jimmy Chitwood’s or TexCat’s body?** > > Just curious 🙂 > [@pedescribe](#): > > No. There was no berynium on JC’s body, unless we have a thief role in the game and it was taken that Night. I really don’t think this is likely. > [@Gryff](#): > > Having watched the movie on the weekend, I feel I have to say that there was a ‘friendly’ screamer in it. > > However I don’t believe **CatInASuit** ’s claim, it relies on **Alka** ’s Role information to be incorrect. As we are not in a gastard game then everything in our role PMs has to be true. > Worst case we lose a vanilla town screamer (sure…), but more likely we are toasting the Head Screamer. If **Cat** is not a head screamer then we must look at **Alka** closely. > > I will be voting for **Cat** ’s head as soon as lynch votes open up. I am not contradicting Alka Seltzer’s information just point out that the screamer he has in his info is town, not scum. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2035 "2009-10-26T13:13:51Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I don’t buy it. Not just because of the sheer improbability of it, but it doesn’t fit what we already know. If Model 5s are supposed to be Head Screamers **Jimmy** would have been called a Head Screamer too. > > Nah, I see this as a Scum ploy, the only ploy that works after being outed - try to sow confusion. Expect my vote. I didn’t say **JC** was the head screamer :dubious: My role is Head Screamer. I just happen to be town aligned. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2036 "2009-10-26T13:15:06Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’m sure I’ll regret this, but … > > What do you mean by “I don’t believe there are two of us in the game”? I read that a couple of times, but can’t parse it. Apologies. NETA: I don’t believe there are \*\*more than \*\*two of us in the game. He is not marked as godfather, because I had a small chance of the finding him. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2037 "2009-10-26T13:37:57Z")
Well, I’m sorry if you’re the Miller, but we went over this on Day 1 and I think the consensus was right that the Miller still has to die. Did you PM the mods to see if you could ID Jimmy from his body? ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2038 "2009-10-26T13:44:47Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > I didn’t say **JC** was the head screamer :dubious: > > My role is Head Screamer. I just happen to be town aligned. See, that just doesn’t fit with what **Alka** said; > [@](#): > > There are 4 caches of Bernyium, 3 owned by town aligned players, and 1 by scum. The town roles are the Lead Miner (jpei), General Store Owner (very probably Gryff), and one other. The scum with the bernyium is the Head Screamer. (Interestingly, my role PM says Lead Miner, not Head Miner) **Alka** very specifically mentions three town and one scum. Are you suggesting that he just jumped to the conclusion that the Head Screamer was scum, or does that sound like he was told that is the case in his PM. It will be a simply manner for **Alka** to correct us if he merely assumed some of the facts stated in his claim. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2039 "2009-10-26T13:47:42Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Well, if it’s an attempt to sow confusion, it’s a cruddy one, at least on its face. It’s not like he said anything that remotely indicates he should not be lynched. Even if he’s telling the truth, we’re not near LyLo; we can afford to lynch a “miller”. The only thing that might really qualify as confusion is his little list of not-Head-Screamers there, which could turn into major WIFOM if he does flip Scum. Even if he does flip Scum, it’s obvious that all of the people on the list are not-Head-Screamers; everyone else in the game is. (If the claim is honest, the list still doesn’t really tell us anything, as any of the people on it could be a junior Screamer). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2040 "2009-10-26T13:53:58Z")
One other thing that occurred to me; on the off chance the Head Screamer is also a bomb, I think Gryff, Boozy, OneAndOnly and probably Alka should keep their votes off of him. Feel free to use me as a clock-starting vote, Alka. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=103)