# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2121 "2009-10-27T13:44:53Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Twere **amrussell** , #659. Thanks, that’s the one. I think I may as well start the countdown a couple hours earlier than I said, since town is unanimous. I’ll check in again and vote at **4:00PM GMT** ( **10:00AM EST** ). This will give us a bit of extra time to sort out the leader vote on Friday, while still giving Tiltawhirl 24 hours to check in, and the two days of night if she has anything crucial to share. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2122 "2009-10-27T13:49:17Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > INight 1: Tom Scud = Town Vanilla > Night 2: Daphne Black = Town Roleblocker/Weak Role Cop > Night 3: Guiri En Espana = Scum Vanilla Now that is a much better investigation list, heck it even gives a way to lynch someone to verify your claim. I don’t believe it but if you come up town with toNight’s lynch then we still get a scum out of the deal and 1 for 1 town for scum is always a good deal. When you flip scum though, I have to say you’ve left a nice bit of WIFOM about why you selected those two and listed their alignments as you did but that’s for another Day. By the way did I miss Alka’s vote to start then countdown to Day’s end? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2123 "2009-10-27T13:52:35Z")
I guess not. ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2124 "2009-10-27T14:07:58Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > When you flip scum though, I have to say you’ve left a nice bit of WIFOM about why you selected those two and listed their alignments as you did but that’s for another Day. If/when **Cat** flips scum then I would still completely ignore all she has said since **Alka** ’s reveal. **Cat** would have known her boat was sunk and everything she said would be intended to make our job harder. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2125 "2009-10-27T14:28:46Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I’m wondering if the nature of Daphne’s wounds indicates she was double-killed (serrated wounds sound like screamers, while stab wounds might be an SK). However, this might be a bit of a stretch on my part. I had a look at the other reveals, and the manner of death is not specified in most of them. I think we can dismiss the idea above, Daphne’s wounds were probably just flavour. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2126 "2009-10-27T15:09:12Z")
Gryff (1): Guiri (1): CiaS CiaS (10): Scudsy, Gryff, Boozy Squid, USCD., Norm Phase, DB, Guiri, Boozy Squid, AllWalker, Scuba ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2127 "2009-10-27T15:14:46Z")
Come on, Alka, start the damn clock already. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2128 "2009-10-27T15:57:30Z")
Let’s get this Cat on the road. **Vote CatInASuit** That’s a **leader vote** and a **countdown**. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2129 "2009-10-27T15:57:37Z")
> [@Gryff](#): > > If/when **Cat** flips scum then I would still completely ignore all she has said since **Alka** ’s reveal. **Cat** would have known her boat was sunk and everything she said would be intended to make our job harder. To which I so easily obliged em. ☹ FTR: Cat, are you a he or a she? Spivak pronouns (such as “em”) can confuse people not used to them. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2130 "2009-10-27T15:59:52Z")
Cat’s got an outie. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2131 "2009-10-27T16:03:16Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Why don’t you cross-check my posts and get back to us on your findings? I refer you to **Normal Phase** ’s post [#1938](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11697409&postcount=1938) to give you a headstart. Thanks for the link, Guiri. I looked through Normal’s review in 1938 as you recommended, and I don’t see anything in that analysis that seems Scummy to me. Shall I give disclaimers about my hit-miss ratio? I also note that Cat hasn’t replied to my direct questions. Even a half-decent cop should have some reason for picking their investigations. And Cat didn’t provide any reasons. (The last time I was in a pile-on, it was 2 v 1, the 1 was AFK, and we had a faulty assumption. Town lost.) ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2132 "2009-10-27T16:34:10Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > **Gryff** , I have a loooong history of triggering people’s Scum-dar, yet I’ve never been Scum. I also have a loooong history of voting for Town. That’s kind of irrelevant, as it tells us nothing about your alignment in this game. **@Ben** - Cat prodded along the idea of Drain Bead as a bomb yesterday. Assuming Cat is a scummy Cat, what motive can you see for doing this? In your view, does it make Drain Bead more or less likely to be scum. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2133 "2009-10-27T16:38:35Z")
Good points, Alka. I had lost track that Cat had started the run against Drain Bead. So that’s another good reason for me to step away from Cat. And you’re also quite right, my history of bad play does not necessarily mean I’m Town this time. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2134 "2009-10-27T16:46:07Z")
I missed a ? on my last sentance, I wasn’t trying to be rhetorical. I’d like to hear your views on these points please. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2135 "2009-10-27T16:48:40Z")
Gryff (1): Guiri (1): CiaS CiaS (10): Scudsy, Gryff, Boozy Squid, USCD., Norm Phase, DB, Guiri, AllWalker, Scuba, Alky Day ends Noon Tomorrow, the 28th of October. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2136 "2009-10-27T16:51:25Z")
Actually to be fair, I started the run against Drain Bead. I think the timing in my primary case holds up, though obviously I no longer think the motive does. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2137 "2009-10-27T16:52:55Z")
All of Ords on the Acky AllWalker: Begin Day 1 [116](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11591095&postcount=116) would see a Miller claim as suspicious [216](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11594534&postcount=216) elects Tom Scud [233](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11595311&postcount=233) urges OaOW not to claim [297](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11599317&postcount=297) fluff [331](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11601607&postcount=331) Thursday vote for Friday day end; disagrees with Chronos for OaOW vote; asks peeker why he’s picking on a perfectly inoffensive post by Tom Scud [335](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11602230&postcount=335) Notes OaOW’s soft claim saved Town from chasing down a blind alley [339](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11602442&postcount=339) tech support fluff [367](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11604722&postcount=367) is Town aligned [sort of]; sees jpei nonvote as a noob mistake; unofficially votes peeker for unwarranted prosecution of Tom Scud [425](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11608683&postcount=425) hopes everyone is okay with Friday day-end; queries Drain Bead about “confidence in their Towniness”; doesn’t like reference to 2 scum teams. [441](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11609633&postcount=441) wonders why peeker has gone quiet [442](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11609667&postcount=442) picks on ColdPhoenix for voting someone for not claiming Town, then hurriedly claiming Town. Wonders why Drain Bead FOS’d everyone who hadn’t claimed Town when she also said lie detector thing was pointless. [510](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11612941&postcount=510) clarifies “A” doc to Cat; wonders what “A” doc claim means, why peeker made it. [517](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11613197&postcount=517) fluff [583](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11616728&postcount=583) clarifies “I am Town” statement. also: “This situation makes lynching a claimed Doc less a bad idea than setups where we think or know there is only one Doc. However, having said that, since Day 1 lynches are almost without exception failures, I think voting for peeker toDay is a bad call, unless we really have nothing else to go on.” [585](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11616747&postcount=585) arguing with Gryff about doc claims; the problem Day 1 is that any given vote is likely to hit a Town. [589](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11616768&postcount=589) "Well, that’s true. But here is something to consider when suggestion we hang a claimed Doc (should it come to that, for example): a) If he really is a Doc, then we lose the Doc entirely. It was as if we never had the role in the first place. This, obviously, hurts Town badly. b) If it is a Scum, then Town buys itself an extra mislynch and that is all. " [598](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11616912&postcount=598) fluff [600](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617041&postcount=600) doesn’t like extant cases vs. peeker (who he considers scummy but not enough to lynch a claimed doc), jpei or Drain Bead. Considers Boozy but thinks Boozy is just being Boozy, not acting scummy. [601](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617111&postcount=601) thinks Chronos vs. OaOW is definitely Chronos fishing [607](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617141&postcount=607) has looked over OreDigger, doesn’t see anything suspicious [609](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617154&postcount=609) votes Chronos [622](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617288&postcount=622), [676](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620116&postcount=676) fluff [677](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620122&postcount=677) thinks peeker posting role title is good idea. [740](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11621636&postcount=740) votes jpei for coup [799](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11625777&postcount=799) unvotes jpei, allows that majority may be right in analyzing his pro vs. antitowniness. Votes BillMC for lurking, bad vote on boozy. [800](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11625788&postcount=800) fluff [850](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11628929&postcount=850) asks Gueri why he thinks Allwalker’s vote on Chronos was dubious. [854](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11629316&postcount=854) continues to dispute Gueri on “dubiousness” End Day 1 [905](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11632939&postcount=905) fluff [906](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11633993&postcount=906) analyzes expressed preferences for Day 1 end; concludes he was within consensus with a Friday end [analysis subsequently discredited] [907](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11634020&postcount=907) notes previous post’s analysis was a bit flawed, still thinks preference was reasonable. [911](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11634088&postcount=911), [913](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11634161&postcount=913), [927](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11636516&postcount=927), [932](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11637049&postcount=932) fluff Begin Day 2 [1017](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11640092&postcount=1017) elects Boozy as most likely Town; speculates that TexCat tried to recruit a scum. [1023](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11640206&postcount=1023) notes that TexCat probably didn’t announce who she was targeting because she wanted to get at least one recruitment under her belt first. [1082](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11643412&postcount=1082) wishes power roles would stop claiming [1086](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11643575&postcount=1086) Wednesday Day end is good for me [1161](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11650458&postcount=1161) stolen shiny stuff seems to point to third party; back and forth with Guiri about when day ought theoretically to be ended [1178](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11651318&postcount=1178) defends Tom Scud vs. peeker on bling speculation, post speed. [1201](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11652756&postcount=1201) runs numbers on Tom Scud posting speed, thinks not so fast as to be suspicious. [1223](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11653784&postcount=1223) “I have to say this, the last and only\* time I played with DaphneBlack - which was the Werewolf Split game - Daphne was loud, bold and original. And she was Town. Now she is quiet and far more bandwagony.” (but won’t vote just on that) [1306](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11656575&postcount=1306) long analysis post on peeker and Daphne claims re roleblockers: “So we either have: a) Town and Scum roleblockers b) Daphne is lying c) peeker is lying” Daphne lying would be very risky. Comes to no clear conclusion. votes FS for weird day 1 posting, epic lurking. Wonders if Town should lynch a town roleblocker anyway. [1309](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11656609&postcount=1309), [1310](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11656626&postcount=1310), [1334](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11657042&postcount=1334) - argument with peeker over peeker’s theory about what happened day 1. [1507](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11664850&postcount=1507) - 1509, 1517: fluff fluff oops double post never mind. End Day 2 [1521](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11665213&postcount=1521) - mislynches are bad, but not voting is worse [1567](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11670070&postcount=1567) - thinks Scuba Ben’s theory that there might be retaliatory powers is possible. Begin Day 3 (plus Day 4) [1621](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11673024&postcount=1621) - thinks peeker likely blocked and killed; most likely second night kill came from (compulsory) vig; elects Alka [1669](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11676089&postcount=1669) "I will just chime in to say I see Chronos as a good vote, for reasons stated just now, as well as the fact that confirmed Townie peeker was adamant on this point. " [2 votes on Chronos at this point]; will vote later [he didn’t] [1684](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11678252&postcount=1684) peeker’s opinion about Chronos should be taken seriously, as we know for sure that it is pro-Town. [1713](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11681444&postcount=1713) responding to Chronos’ post of his program: “5 Scum, with 1 on them an Investigator? That is a lot. I suppose this game is big and powered, so that might not be too far off, but that is one hell of a Scum team.” [1787](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11686010&postcount=1787) Thinks Drain Bead is reading too much into Tom Scud’s “save your ass” comment. End Day 3 [1947](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11698380&postcount=1947) fluff [1948](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11698497&postcount=1948) endorses someone doing WoW on him; reiterates reasons for Day 1 Chronos vote. Begin Day 4 [2018](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11702962&postcount=2018) “Even though I didn’t vote yesterDay, I was hardly late to the bandwagon.” [2031](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11703941&postcount=2031) “I don’t buy it. Not just because of the sheer improbability of it, but it doesn’t fit what we already know. If Model 5s are supposed to be Head Screamers Jimmy would have been called a Head Screamer too.” [2048](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11704269&postcount=2048) - reiterates previous point; head screamer would be called Head Screamer, not Investigator [2108](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11707358&postcount=2108) votes CiaS [2113](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11708004&postcount=2113) “If an Investigator turns up Scum, there’s no need to hold it back. I don’t understand proTown motivations for turning the findings into a huge, drawn out theatrical production.” Day 1 notes: his leader vote looked fine at the time; the first day bandwagons pretty much all looked like crap, even for Day 1; his choice of Chronos now looks pretty damn good. In particular, given the crappy appearance of the bandwagons at the time, there was every possibility he could have started a new wagon on Chronos; seems unlikely a scum would have taken that risk with one of their key roles. The scuffle with Guiri looks perfectly understandable; Guiri is really hard to read IMO. Day 2 notes: 1223 looks kind of smudgy. 1306: I’ve never understood “lynch the town roleblocker” but it seems to be Mafia CW. Seems to me the potential late game advantages more than outweigh the early game hassles. What a total waste of time that whole “scum must have killed TexCat” argument was. I understand why a bunch of compulsive arguers felt the need to keep picking at it, but Lord. Day 3 notes: I’d thought without looking that AllWalker had endorsed a Chronos vote after Normal had voted (my unofficial cut-off for considering a Chronos vote a possible bussing); at #2 and a half, he looks better on that count. Off-topic, but anyone who feels like WIFOMing themselves to death can try and figure out if Chronos deliberately embedded any misleading assumptions into his program. Conclusion: I think he’s probably Town, and not because he defended me a couple times; he was relatively early on to the Day 3 Chronos wagon, and his Day 1 Chronos vote, though a singleton that he later changed, was cast at a time when it was plausible it would have picked up steam. I have a hard time seeing a Scum risk it when he could easily and safely have jumped on board the jpei wagon; at that point, jpei had posted almost nothing but self-defense posts. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2138 "2009-10-27T17:04:42Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Why don’t you cross-check my posts and get back to us on your findings? I refer you to **Normal Phase** ’s post [#1938](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11697409&postcount=1938) to give you a headstart. Oh, that reminds me, I have a bone to pick with you about your Day 1 vote, which you resurrected for your Day 3 vote on Scuba. You said that you voted ColdPhoenix for advocating that the other “A” doc counterclaim peeker; this is a total misrepresentation or misunderstanding of what he was saying. He was saying that more information from peeker would have made it easier for Town to sort out the claims IN THE EVENT of a counterclaim. [post 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620266&postcount=680) and [post 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620450&postcount=700) by ColdPhoenix on peeker and his doctor claim. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2139 "2009-10-27T17:16:45Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I missed a ? on my last sentance, I wasn’t trying to be rhetorical. I’d like to hear your views on these points please. Drain Bead was the one begging to be lynched, right? When I get caught up – _gets drowned out by catcalls_ Yeah, who’m I kidding? I’ll get lynched or NKed before I catch up on the thread. Even so. I really don’t know what to make of Drain Bead, other than at the moment it’d be safer for Drain Bead to be Night-killed than lynched, just in case Drain has a retaliatory power. But if she’s a Jester type, it doesn’t matter HOW she Dies. But someone with no Death-activated ability asking to be lynched? That would be the second stupidest thing I recall seeing in SDMB Mafia. The #1 stupidest thing was in The Split, IIRC, where someone false-claimed to be Scum. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2140 "2009-10-27T17:37:02Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Oh, that reminds me, I have a bone to pick with you about your Day 1 vote, which you resurrected for your Day 3 vote on Scuba. > > You said that you voted ColdPhoenix for advocating that the other “A” doc counterclaim peeker; this is a total misrepresentation or misunderstanding of what he was saying. He was saying that more information from peeker would have made it easier for Town to sort out the claims IN THE EVENT of a counterclaim. > > [post 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620266&postcount=680) and [post 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620450&postcount=700) by ColdPhoenix on peeker and his doctor claim. I voted **ColdPhoenix** as an alternative to **BillMC** after **OreDigger** ’s argument that **ColdPhoenix** was a better alternative for LtL: > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I jumped on yesterday morning to try and convince people to vote for Coldphonix but apparently that post got eaten. > > Basically that gist was that while Bill has been absent except for his single vote Cold has had about the same level of activity, only about 4 more posts, but has had two votes both of which were for the lynch leader with little or poor explanation. Also at least Bill has told us that he’s been busy while Cold just seems to appear and vote. > > I don’t think there is enough time to change anyone’s mind but I at least wanted to point out that voting for a truly absent lurker doesn’t give as much information as a lurker who shows up when it’s convenient for him since we will at least learn if there were game reasons for it being convenient for him. I found this a much more convincing argument than the one against **BillMC** and piggybacked on the given arguments adding my thought on the doc role claim. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I prefer **Oredigger** ’s reasoning on **ColdPhoenix** as a lurker than the **BillMC** argument. Another reason is that ColdPhoenix also had the dangerous idea of proposing that the second Doc expose him/herself by confirming or denying **Peeker** ’s claim. > Vote ColdPhoenix I read the two **ColdPhoenix** posts as saying: “ **Peeker** , please state the official title of your role and then our other doctor(s), if any, can tell us if you’re making it up or not.” I did not see an “eventual” aspect to the suggestion. Unable to choose between with the **Chronos** and **Drain Bead** wagons, I ratified my Day 1 vote on **Scuba\_Ben** as he had been even more absent than **ColdPhoenix** had been. I PM’d the Mods to ensure that both **ColdPhoenix** and **Scuba** had received the same role PM and alignment and placed my vote there. In hindsight, with **Chronos** ’ flip, I didn’t use my vote very well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=108)