# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2141 "2009-10-27T17:49:20Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I read the two **ColdPhoenix** posts as saying: “ **Peeker** , please state the official title of your role and then our other doctor(s), if any, can tell us if you’re making it up or not.” I did not see an “eventual” aspect to the suggestion. Hm. Reading the posts in isolation, I guess that’s defensible; I still think that back in the context of the discussion at the time, when several other people also suggested peeker give out at least his title, the context was that of “so in the event of a counterclaim we can evaluate fairly”. Not saying it was a bad Day 1 vote; but I still think part of your premise was faulty. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2142 "2009-10-27T17:50:38Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Unable to choose between with the **Chronos** and **Drain Bead** wagons, I ratified my Day 1 vote on **Scuba\_Ben** as he had been even more absent than **ColdPhoenix** had been. I PM’d the Mods to ensure that both **ColdPhoenix** and **Scuba** had received the same role PM and alignment and placed my vote there. Don’t you mean Day 2? ColdPhoenix was here all of Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2143 "2009-10-27T18:15:31Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Don’t you mean Day 2? ColdPhoenix was here all of Day 1. I voted you on Day 3 for what appeared to be the same opportunistic lurking **ColdPhoenix** had seemed to be doing on Day 1, which was the primary motivation for my vote. On Day 3, after a 2 day absence, you placed the final leader vote a couple of hours before the 24 hour limit and then disappeared for several days. I voted you and then you reappeared 30 minutes before Day End. You have since been much more active and involved! ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2144 "2009-10-27T18:35:33Z")
Sorry for my absence- RL intruded. **Vote CiaS**. A great pickup by AllWalker, and town’s got some momentum at last. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2145 "2009-10-27T20:00:24Z")
> [@tiltawhirl](#): > > A great pickup by AllWalker, and town’s got some momentum at last. Tha A-l curse strikes again. 😃 AllWalker is the one who doesn’t dissolve in water. ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2146 "2009-10-27T20:50:52Z")
D’oh! ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2147 "2009-10-27T21:04:11Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I voted you on Day 3 for what appeared to be the same opportunistic lurking **ColdPhoenix** had seemed to be doing on Day 1, which was the primary motivation for my vote. On Day 3, after a 2 day absence, you placed the final leader vote a couple of hours before the 24 hour limit and then disappeared for several days. I voted you and then you reappeared 30 minutes before Day End. You have since been much more active and involved! Consider me duly poked, after screwing up as a sub for Days 2 & 3. I was truly away from the board for just about all of Day 3, and that’s my own fault. (On preview, you could probably strike “much more” from that last sentence and still be correct. Since Today’s lynch is all but certain (and Cat has had plenty of chance to rebut the case against him), what else do we have to talk about? - Probable unclaimed roles - Whether Tomorrow is a good time for all unclaimed players to claim (which, being Day 5, might be a good idea. Shall I find a reliable random number generator site?) - What items to test. I still volunteer to test the doily, and am willing to test anything else too. - Various lists of suspicious players. - Other good info that would be a shame if it was lost at Dawn. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2148 "2009-10-27T21:21:28Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > - Probable unclaimed roles At this point, roles we have evidence for are the Politician (who is probably Town, or could be Third Party, simply because the role would be ridiculously overpowered for scum) and the Vigilante or Serial Killer. I’m starting to think that there might not be another investigative role out there; that between the Bling Brothers, the recruiting mason (doh) and Griff’s various toys we’re supposed to create a pool of confirmed town and go after the scum that way. I’m actually not sure what good fully claiming does us. The only plus side I see is that if we DO have a SK instead of a vig, it will force this fact into the open, or else force the SK to claim vig, in which case they can be lynched at Town’s leisure once we think all the scum are gone. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2149 "2009-10-27T21:21:51Z")
Gryff (1): Guiri (1): CiaS CiaS (11): Scudsy, Gryff, Boozy Squid, USCD., Norm Phase, DB, Guiri, AllWalker, Scuba, Alky, tilta ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2150 "2009-10-27T21:33:25Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Gryff (1): > Guiri (1): CiaS > CiaS (11): Scudsy, Gryff, Boozy Squid, USCD., Norm Phase, DB, Guiri, AllWalker, Scuba, Alky, tilta It won’t make much of a difference but **OreDigger77** voted **CIAS** in post [#2086](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11705509&postcount=2086) and **One And Only Wanderers** voted **CIAS** in post [#2109](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11707799&postcount=2109) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2151 "2009-10-28T14:38:36Z")
Ok, what do we have for WoW’s on **Chronos** and **CIAS** so far? Nothing on Day Three, right? Night Two? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2152 "2009-10-28T14:45:12Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Ok, what do we have for WoW’s on **Chronos** and **CIAS** so far? Nothing on Day Three, right? Night Two? Right. I did walls for both Chronos and Cat on night 2, and Cat (for whatever it’s worth) did a Chronos wall on Day 3. I think we’ve gotten everything out of Jimmy’s posts that we possibly can, but someone feeling like a completist might want to go back and re-WoW him and compare with Cat’s version, assuming Cat flips scum. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2153 "2009-10-28T15:01:24Z")
Do you have a link to the post where you did those (and **Cat** ’s as well, why not) for quick reference? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2154 "2009-10-28T15:08:10Z")
Links to both (as well as my preliminary post-CHronos-lynch rundown [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11696863&postcount=1921)). Also [my post from earlier Today](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11703315&postcount=2023) reviewing my Cat wall and glancing over Day 3, wherein I join the smudge-Tom wagon by smudging myself. Going back, he also pushed the Drain Bead is a Bomb thing on Day 3. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2155 "2009-10-28T15:11:24Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I read the two **ColdPhoenix** posts as saying: “ **Peeker** , please state the official title of your role and then our other doctor(s), if any, can tell us if you’re making it up or not.” I did not see an “eventual” aspect to the suggestion. Interestingly, [Cat shares your reading of those posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620276&postcount=683). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2156 "2009-10-28T15:12:12Z")
Okay, I’ll summarize the pair of them for Night Two/Day Three. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2157 "2009-10-28T15:34:17Z")
Another quick reread of the two walls side by side; not much I can find going on there; other players’ attitudes towards Chronos seem to have been more revealing. 477: endorses the “there must be scum pushing the Drain Bead wagon” argument. 890: takes a pointless poke at Drain Bead 1196, 1278 - repeatedly accuses Tom Scud of being third-party thief 1403 - first serious discrepancy I’ve found in the Cat vs. Tom walls; Cat thinks Chronos is in favor of a DB on DB block; I [correctly] say he says it’s inferior to a Daphne lynch. The only thing there of potential value is 477. At this point I think we can assume there weren’t a large number of scum on the turn-1 DBead wagon, though that doesn’t mean there weren’t any (by 477, Cat hadn’t yet voted her). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2158 "2009-10-28T15:41:06Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > The Dread Bean (8): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, DaphkneeBlack, Freudian Skit, Fenix [now Scuba Ben], tiltawhirl, UPSDriver > [@Chronos](#): > > Well, obviously not everyone who voted for **Drain Bead** is Scum (or at least, I certainly hope not). But it’s still possible that there are a few Town in there, and some Scum joined in to turn a small bandwagon into a big one. We now know the alignment of 3 of the players on that wagon, and they’re all Town. Not sure how much weight to place on this, as it was part of a pile-on onto peeker. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2159 "2009-10-28T15:48:10Z")
Irritatingly, the previous post blows my Night 3 five-player list almost completely out of the water. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2160 "2009-10-28T16:03:32Z")
Just a brief note before my impending lynch to say have fun all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=107) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=109)