# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 111
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2201 "2009-10-28T20:04:45Z")
@ **Alka** , when you searched \*\*CIAS \*\*last Night and found berynium, did you automatically collect it? Perhaps losing the berynium caused him to lose his title as Head Screamer and revert to the role our other Model 5 Screamer also carried (Investigator). ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2202 "2009-10-28T20:13:32Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Day 3 final vote: > Chronos(9): Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl, **Gryff** , **DaphneBlack** , DB, **CatInASuit** , OaOW, **Boozy Squid** > Drain Bead(6) : Tom Scud, Normalphase, **Alka(leader)**, **Chronos** , Scuba\_Ben, GuiriEnEspana > No vote: AllWalker Just from glancing at that, it looks like **CatInASuit** was voting for **Chronos** near the tipping point of his votes exceeding **Drain Bead**. I am about to go out so can’t check it right now, but it may have been decided that **Chronos** was lost and he (and maybe someone else?) decided to jump on the lynch for town cred? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2203 "2009-10-28T20:18:42Z")
I think Chronos was up 6-3 or 6-4 at the time Cat voted, so it wasn’t all THAT close. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2204 "2009-10-28T20:50:27Z")
Quicky Wall of Words on Tilt, so I can compare with [Cat’s of yesterday](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11686797&postcount=1802): [419](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11607760&postcount=419) in response to Tom Scud asking her to participate, discusses jpei, who she thinks acted anti-town but with no vote; thinks peeker’s accusation of Tom is baseless, but not nec. scummy. Is aligned with town. [443](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11609702&postcount=443) Thinks Chronos’ vote on OaOW is legitimate; Thinks lie detector thing is potentially useful, not noise. Votes Drain Bead. [454](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11610660&postcount=454) did declare town, was not on Drain’s list [520](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11613318&postcount=520) unvotes Drain to take pressure off. promises to check Tom Scud’s case on Oredigger. [579](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11616436&postcount=579) thinks Oredigger doesn’t look scummy; thinks Tom Scud is playing pro-town. [664](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11619227&postcount=664) wonders if peeker could have false-claimed Doc as Town. Wonders what scum motive Drain would have to claim vanilla. [669](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11619473&postcount=669) is against peeker lynch at this time; not sure about jpei, unenthusiastic about drain bead lynch. [704](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620489&postcount=704) (after jpei coup) "Huh. I wondered if OaOW might have a power similar to this since he’s ineligible to be Leader. jpei shouldn’t you have role claimed before using what might have been a useful power under your “Jim Jones” scenario??? [708](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620523&postcount=708) votes BillMC for singling out Boozy for a vote for his “A” doc interpretation. [867](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11630349&postcount=867) will stay with BillMC vote; FOS Chronos for “pushing an agenda not supported by town” [896](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11632098&postcount=896) fluff [1018](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11640093&postcount=1018) dissents from view that confirmed town should be Leader, thinks it gives a player a chance to prove Towniness or lack thereof, elects Tom Scud. [1358](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11658053&postcount=1358) apologizes for not keeping up [1433](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11661936&postcount=1433) votes Daphne Black to encourage her to cough up info on Freudian [1475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11664137&postcount=1475) unvotes Daphne, votes Freudian for abandoning the game [1540](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11665671&postcount=1540) apologizes to Thing Fish, asks next leader to please commit to a friendlier time of day [1649](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11674294&postcount=1649) elects Tom Scud for being mindful of time of day [1655](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11674614&postcount=1655) fluff [1699](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11679390&postcount=1699) again thinks unconfirmed players should be leaders; also, thought Boozy’s leadership had proven anti-Town. [1700](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11679403&postcount=1700) “NETA: I have few reasons to believe Tom Scud is Town.” [1731](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682718&postcount=1731) confesses to bandwagon jumping, votes Chronos [putting him up 6-1], welcomes alternate cases [1837](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11688111&postcount=1837) “Tom Scud’s ass-saving pledge may be so transparent as to be kind of subtle. In a throwaway post he promises to derail Chronos’ bandwagon. Then, he unveils a two-part WoW on DB and justifies his vote for her on the basis of the previous case and for the same reason he originally voted Chronos: the failure to strategy vote Freudian Slit to save Thing Fish. Not only is the DB case revived, but Tom Scud also draws votes to himself for no good reason (is that part of saving Chronos’ posterior, too?)” [1939](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11697419&postcount=1939) On bandwagoning: “I meant to say that I have been focused on current the vote leaders, not that I haven’t put a good portion of consideration into each of my votes.” [1961](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11700465&postcount=1961) "I see [Oredigger] volunteering to be blocked/investigated as mildly anti-Town but not overly scummy. At this point I see greater value in Daphne selecting her own target. If she’s town, she could luck upon one of the scum power players and score a big win. [2146](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11709426&postcount=2146) apologizes for absence. Votes CiaS. [2148](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11709988&postcount=2148) fluff Not seeing anything clearly pro or anti-Town; stayed well within the game consensus, as she admits herself. Chronos FOS is interesting but late enough in the Day, and not backed by a vote, that it’s not all THAT relevant. And as far as I can tell, Cat played this one straight; can’t see him putting his thumb down on the scales anywhere in his Wall, either. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2205 "2009-10-28T20:54:01Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I think Chronos was up 6-3 or 6-4 at the time Cat voted, so it wasn’t all THAT close. Just looked, and Cat’s vote actually made it 7-2. The closest the vote got was 4-3, while Drain was voting herself; Daphne pulled it to 5-3, and Drain’s revote of Chronos made it 6-2. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2206 "2009-10-28T21:28:11Z")
I’m up to post 1800 looking at **Chronos** and **CIAS** ; can’t finish before tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2207 "2009-10-28T21:32:19Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > BTW, I fully expect to be vig’d tonight; I think if I’m not, we’ve got a reasonable indication that we have a serial killer and not a vig out there. > > Given that, I think the best place for Town to go looking for scum tomorrow is in the later slots in the Chronos bandwagon, particularly the people who were votes 4 + at the time. > > That would be Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl, Gryff, DaphneBlack, CatInASuit, OaOW, Boozy Squid, plus AllWalker. > > Of those, Gryff and Daphne are our two most confirmed-by-mechanics Townies - I suspect one of them will be dead by scum nightkill as well. Boozy is also sufficiently confirmed-by-mechanics that I don’t think we should be looking at him yet. > > Oredigger I think is somewhat confirmed by [this Chitwood post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11612422&postcount=503), which just doesn’t make sense as a scum-partner post; if Chitwood was trying to throw Digger under a bus for Town cred, he would have done it more obviously. Also I think that Digger, while he’s been here, has been very Townie in general in his posts. > > That leaves Diver, Tilt, OaOW, and AllWalker; I’m reasonably confident there will be at least one and probably more scum in that group. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > NETA: And CatinaSuit. I still think this is the best way to go forward. Ben or Gueri on the Drain-wagon could be scum, but I’m pretty sure they aren’t both scum; there’s more likely to be another scum on my short list than that two jumping at the last minute onto the Drain-wagon. Of the four, I feel AllWalker is the most Townie with his vote for Chronos at a time when it could have gathered a wagon. I’m torn on the other three, having walled them all; none of them had big flashing scum signs over their heads, but none of them really did anything particularly Townie. At the moment I’m leaning towards Diver. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2208 "2009-10-28T21:34:34Z")
NETA: “than that two jumpED at the last minute…” ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2209 "2009-10-29T09:10:47Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Perhaps losing the berynium caused him to lose his title as Head Screamer and revert to the role **our** other Model 5 Screamer also carried (Investigator). /snipped, bolding mine A bit of tit for tat here… _ **Our** _ other Model 5 Screamer? **Tom** , you may be onto something here. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2210 "2009-10-29T13:24:24Z")
**Alka** , can you show me where you said what posts indicated **CIAS** might have berynium? In particular, whether they came before or after your role reveal? I think that might help me interpret the WoW on him a bit. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2211 "2009-10-29T13:33:16Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > /snipped, bolding mine > > A bit of tit for tat here… > > _ **Our** _ other Model 5 Screamer? > > **Tom** , you may be onto something here. Yeah, that was a poor word choice too. I’m referring of course to **Jimmy Chitwood**. I was using the word ‘our’ to indicate he was a player in the game, not a member of my team. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2212 "2009-10-29T14:13:31Z")
Here are all the Night Two/Day Three posts from **CIAS** and **Chronos** ( **CIAS** posted nothing informative on Night Three). **CIAS** [spoiler]Night Two [1530](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11664942&postcount=1530) bad end to Day, sorry Thing Fish [1531](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11664942&postcount=1531) was asleep at Day end, wants better Day end time and list of where people are [1559](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11667691&postcount=1559) oog, computer trouble Day Three [1625](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11672902&postcount=1625) internet back, so sad town, elect **Alka** [1685](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11676542&postcount=1685) where is **Oredigger**? [1724](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682450&postcount=1724) WoW on **Chronos** , started mainly because he was getting heat; only afterwards noticed **Tom** already did one. Posts his anyway. Offers conclusions that pretty much amount to **Chronos** being vaguely suspicious, but does not vote. [1725](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682450&postcount=1725) corrects himself to say he will NOT do a WoW on **Tom** [1726](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682450&postcount=1726) Requests **Tom** note that he said he would change his vote on **TF** if there was a roleclaim, which he wasn’t around to see in the end. Also wants to know why **Guiri** wasn’t on **Tom** ’s list. [1727](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682450&postcount=1727) asks why **Ben** was ready to unvote **FS** [1736](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682871&postcount=1736) Asks for clarification on the explanation for **Ben** ’s comment (which was provided by **Drain Bead** ) [1792](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11686539&postcount=1792) thanks for WoWs; why is **Drain Bead** wanting to lynch herself? [1798](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11686639&postcount=1798) analysis of Day Two votes without a lot of substance. Points out as “interesting” that **Drain Bead** and **tiltawhirl** pushed **Daphne** back to five votes after **Guiri** and **CIAS** had made it five for **TF** , but does not say what he means by that. References the definitive swing ( **OAOW** unvoting **Daphne** ; me and **Ben** voting **TF** ) without saying what he thinks of that either. Then mentions the stuff that happened after **TF** ’s claim, which we’ve already beaten to death; and reiterates a request for a more friendly Day-ending time. [1799](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11686653&postcount=1799) **Drain Bead** determined to be lynched, asking confirmed Townies to vote for her, is she a bomb? [1802](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11686797&postcount=1802) WoW on **tiltawhirl** , prompted by her pushing the vote on **Daphne** long post-claim. Comments she’s hanging in there for a new player, reasonably consistent, unvoting **Daphne** and voting **FS** once given a good reason was a pro-Town move; wanting an unconfirmed player as leader is hard to analyze; overall not that much to go on. [1821](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11687575&postcount=1821) more **Drain Bead** -as-bomb speculation: asking for power roles good idea, given suspicion on her; effect same no matter when she’s lynched; actions more likely to get people to vote **Chronos**. Town might ask for self-lynch, but it’s rare and always hurts Town. **Chronos** looks Scummy, but which is scummier? [1822](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11687678&postcount=1822) half a WoW on me, which he terms “interesting”, presumably speaking of my comments as regards **Drain Bead** (the three comments he provided links for in that WoW were all about her). Then goes on to characterize the idea of **Tom** and me being Scum together as unlikely because of our sticking our necks out; also says it’s unlikely either of us is trying to save **Chronos** via our unvotes, though he’s a bit more wishy-washy about me than about **Tom**. Ends by saying **Daphne** is looking increasingly Townie; **Drain Bead** not – they’re not likely Scum together. [1829](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11687800&postcount=1829) (response to **Alka** saying **Drain Bead** ’s actions on Day One were not good bomb play) jokes about **Jimmy** saving her for a rainy day, then agrees bomb is unlikely [1846](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11688130&postcount=1838) fluff, needs some sleep [1855](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11689915&postcount=1855) has slept on it, votes **Chronos** for lack of analysis and pursuit of soft claims (not so much for lack of vote switch at end of Day Two). Defends (sort of) **Drain Bead** ’s end-of-day actions and concludes anti-Town does not necessarily mean not-Town. Maybe. [1890](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11693061&postcount=1890) fluff[/spoiler] **Chronos** [spoiler]Night Two [1516](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11664942&postcount=1516) complains about being made executioner in the write-up [1550](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11667464&postcount=1550) points out lack of overlap between **daphne** and **thing fish** bandwagons; thinks it was coincidence [1553](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11667691&postcount=1553) list of **Thing Fish** voters may be incomplete – politician forced vote [1557](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11667691&postcount=1557) back and forth with **peeker** [1571](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11667691&postcount=1571) fluff poke at **peeker** [1572](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11667691&postcount=1572) ditto [1581](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11667691&postcount=1581) (defense of **DaphneBlack** re-vote) just voting for most suspicious person; role color makes no sense Day Three [1618](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11672902&postcount=1618) good news: we seem to have vig rather than SK, since SK would have killed one of the partly confirmed Townies. Good argument now for **gryff** being Town, elect **gryff** if eligible. [1639](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11674072&postcount=1639) unelect **Gryff** , elect **Boozy** , who is more confirmed than **Alka** is. Not sure what to make of **daphne**. Gives the list of five possibilities I objected to a few posts later. Can’t decide which it is, has to think. [1651](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11674072&postcount=1651) (response to me) does movie give any hint to plausibility of **Daphne** ’s role color; plausible that she might find out Screamers based on their lack of alcohol response; speculation on third party berynium-related win condition; maybe **peeker** wasn’t actually role-blocked and it was a matter of who he’d tried to visit, as he once speculated; can’t rule out **DB-DB** Scum team, wants to look at bandwagons again [1652](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11674072&postcount=1652) correction to **Drain Bead** regarding what **Daphne** said about **FS** [1661](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11674072&postcount=1661) asks **Scuba** if he has anything to report on the doily. [1663](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11674072&postcount=1663) counterattack on **Tom** – how is **Tom’s** vote consistent with his earlier statement that **Jimmy** ’s behavior somewhat confirmed him? [1671](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11676173&postcount=1671) (response to **Drain Bead** ’s vote) says previous post was not really anti- **Daphne** , was just listing every possible explanation, not sure what’s right. Complains that he’s getting votes for voting for the person he thought most likely Scum – strategic voting of the type requested for him is idiotic because it just lets Scum manipulate bandwagons; feels like he’s being punished for being active, since he was around and others weren’t, despite others not voting **Freudian** , or voting **TF** [1678](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11676542&postcount=1678) (again in response to **Drain Bead** ) complains Day One vote being misrepresented – was policy vote, but also thought **OAOW** / **Boozy** were likely Scum. Also asks why **AllWalker** (who had expressed suspicion without voting) gave any weight to **peeker** ’s opinion. [1678](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11676542&postcount=1678) doily fluff [1695](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11676542&postcount=1695) (response to **Alka** , who had expressed minor issues with **Chronos** within a post that was mostly focused on **Guiri** ) didn’t like **alka’s** “wait and see” as regards **Daphne** because he was pretty convinced she was Scum; today has no clue, so “wait and see” makes more sense. Would like her to target someone other than **Drain Bead** ; however, no one should volunteer to be blocked due to danger of reducing power role hiding pool. Asks if goons would come back as non-vanilla. [1696](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11676542&postcount=1696) **Tom** barking up wrong tree. Refers back to **Tom** ’s “somewhat confirmed” post to demonstrate inconsistency. Includes his reference to **Drain Bead** looking “completely skeevy” to demonstrate **Tom** ’s not voting for the scummiest person in the room either. Votes Tom. Doesn’t appreciate **Drain Bead** ’s vote either nor her mischaracterization of his post about **Daphne** , but thinks it makes more sense in context. [1708](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11680449&postcount=1708) talks about program, doesn’t know how to defend against SK charge (referring to my vote) since SK would be indistinguishable from vanilla Town; is not planning to false-claim Vig. [1710](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11680936&postcount=1710) posts program results. Says he assumes 5-6 Scum, more would be unbalanced, says relatively high numbers by **Alka** and **Drain Bead** don’t mean much due to claims they’ve made that the program can’t take into account. [1715](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11680936&postcount=1715) program fluff [1744](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11682871&postcount=1744) defense of his program against **USCDiver** complaint; says he’ll correct **Thing Fish** ’s alignment when he gets home (on suggestion from **Guiri** ); sees my point about SKs wanting to self-protect, but he’s been doing a lousy job of it; expresses wish for people to talk about things other than him. [1749](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11684409&postcount=1749) (response to question regarding **Chronos** ’s characterization of **Tom** as inconsistent) him saying **Drain Bead** looks extremely skeevy is important, plus “somewhat confirmed” rather than “suggested Town” [1777](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11684944&postcount=1777) (after the **Drain Bead** case, and both **Tom** and I have unvoted him) glad your vote is off me, I guess, but too sleep deprived to comment [1828](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11687783&postcount=1828) @ **Drain Bead** – either of them dying not horribly bad for Town, as they’ve both been distractions and for all either of them knows, the other might be Scum. Argues that from her standpoint, if she’s Town, she should prefer him dead (and not be pushing her own death.) Argues if she’s Scum, it’s more likely she’s just trying to sow confusion than that she’s a bomb-type role. [1836](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11688105&postcount=1836) (response to **Drain Bead** voting him) well at least that makes more sense [1838](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11688130&postcount=1838) keeping vote on **Tom** since circumstances of his vote switch look fishy (though he wasn’t trying to save a scummy teammate) – he might have been wanting to get off bandwagon before **Chronos** came up Town. May have to switch to **Drain Bead** for self-preservation eventually. [1852](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11689915&postcount=1852) (response to **Boozy** ’s defense of his vote timing) people were expecting **boozy** to place his vote during the day, not at night; and the problem is that there was NOT a late vote swing, when there arguably should have been [1866](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11692008&postcount=1866) **FS** ’s status (at that time) hurts us due to loss of alignment information; comatose status could be exploited by Scum, so if she ever turns up again, lynch/vig her immediately [1876](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11693061&postcount=1876) claims vanilla Town, votes **Drain Bead** [/spoiler] I think I’ll have time to add my comments before Dawn, but have an appointment right now. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2213 "2009-10-29T14:17:25Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ **Alka** Have you been told you can no longer continue your pilfering or do you just assume there’s no more Berynium to find after **Jpei**? I may as well keep on looking, but I don’t expect to find anything. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > **Alka** , can you show me where you said what posts indicated **CIAS** might have berynium? In particular, whether they came before or after your role reveal? I think that might help me interpret the WoW on him a bit. See my reasoning on how I found Cat here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11713394&postcount=2189](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11713394&postcount=2189) This is the post that made me think he might be trying to protect a power role: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11641035#post11641035](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11641035#post11641035) That came before my claim and Daphne’s. Tom’s music box is interesting, but it really needs a 3-way handshake to give us useful info. I think the player who receives it should play it overnight, pass it on the next night and report any results the following morning. The next player to get it should report what it says immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2214 "2009-10-29T14:43:56Z")
Going back to the Jimmy Chitwood well one more time, as he helpfully suggested: > [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Off the top of my head, this interval seems like a good starting point for further investigation, since it’s the one that damned a townie. I thought I would pull up the intervals before and color-code them (red for scum, blue for town, purple for Bling). > [@amrussell](#): > > _As far as anyone knows at this point, the 24-hour countdown has begun_ > \*\*[Official vote count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617325&postcount=624) > **jpeg** (3): OAoW, **TxtKitty** , **Alkaseltzer** > The One and Only(1): **Da’Chronic** > **Pecear** (2): **Gruff** , **Boozy** , > The Dread Bean (5): **amrussett** , Abnormal Phase, **Freudian Skit** , UPSDriver, **KittySoot** > Borerigger(2): Brainbleed, Scudmissile > **M.C. Billy** (1): **Pecear** > **Da’Chronic** (1): AllWalker(leader) \*\* > _DB is out in front, jpei has moved into second over peeker_ > > Tom Scud unvotes Oredigger, votes **TexCat** - [625](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617426&postcount=625) > **DaphneBlack** votes **jpei** - [627](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617577&postcount=627) > **BillMC** votes **Boozy** - [628](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617753&postcount=628) > **Jimmy Chitwood** votes **BillMC** - [630](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617832&postcount=630) > Drain Bead votes **BillMC** - [631](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11617832&postcount=631) > Guiri votes **jpei** - [642](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11618374&postcount=642) > Oredigger votes **Freudian Slit** - [643](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11618406&postcount=643) > **amrussell** unvotes DB, votes **CatInASuit** - [659](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11618934&postcount=659) > > _With that unvote, **jpei** is now vote leader_ > > **[Official vote count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11619076&postcount=663): > jpeg (5): OAoW, TxtKitty, Alkaseltzer, DaffyBlk, GuyinSpain > The One and Only(1): Da’Chronic > Pecear(2): Gruff, Boozy, > The Dread Bean (4): Abnormal Phase, Freudian Skit, UPSDriver, KittySoot > M.C. Billy(3): Pecear, JiminiyShitblood, Brainbleed > Da’Chronic(1): AllWalker(leader) > TxtKitty(1): Scudmissile > Boozy(2): MCBilly, FishThingy > Freudulan Slit (1): Arr!Digger77 > CAIS (1): amrustle** > > Cold Phoenix votes **peeker** - [680](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620266&postcount=680) > **peeker** unvotes **BillMC** , votes Cold Phoenix - [689](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620266&postcount=680) > > _At this point, jpei announces that he’s taking over as leader, thus extending the day. Votes shortly before this point should be looked upon as probably the final votes players intended making on Day One._ > > Guiri unvotes **jpei** - [691](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620377&postcount=691) > Tom Scud unvotes **TexCat** , votes **jpei** - [705](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620511&postcount=705) > tiltawhilrl votes **BillMC** - [708](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620523&postcount=708) > OAOW unvotes **jpei** - [716](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620638&postcount=716) > **Alka Seltzer** unvotes **jpei** - [724](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620754&postcount=724) > Oredigger unvotes **Freudian Slit** , votes Cold Phoenix - [726](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620770&postcount=725) > **Freudian Slit** unvotes Drain Bead, votes **jpei** - [727](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11620861&postcount=727) > **TexCat** unvotes **jpei** - [739](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11621570&postcount=739) > AllWalker unvotes **Chronos** , votes **jpei** - [740](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11621636&postcount=740) > Tom Scud unvotes **jpei** - [748](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11622368&postcount=748). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2215 "2009-10-29T14:45:55Z")
One thing worth noting about vote analysis on Day 1 is that basically everyone who was ever in a vote lead is now confirmed town, except Drain Bead, who is very likely Town based on her interactions with Chronos IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2216 "2009-10-29T15:35:22Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Tom’s music box is interesting, but it really needs a 3-way handshake to give us useful info. I think the player who receives it should play it overnight, pass it on the next night and report any results the following morning. The next player to get it should report what it says immediately. I have no idea if it’s re-recordable, in which case its utility is pretty limited; if you choose to trust that it was auto-recorded, then it confirms one player (me). I’d argue that Gryff wasn’t likely to have TWO anti-town items in his bag of tricks, but then I would if I were scum, wouldn’t I? Broadly, I agree that the recipient should at least try to record over my message, and I hope that I’ll be able to avoid a mislynch without the recipient coming forward. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2217 "2009-10-29T15:42:55Z")
\*\*Alka \*\*can you comment on my post in #2203? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2218 "2009-10-29T15:45:16Z")
**Do night actions happen before night kills go through? For example, if I’m killed tonight, will the music box still be delivered to its recipient?** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2219 "2009-10-29T17:31:42Z")
Thanks, **Alka**. So to all appearances, **CIAS** would not have been expecting to wind up exposed any time soon – his posts would have been aimed at the longer term. Some interesting points from the pair of WoWs: – **Chronos** and **CIAS** were on opposite sides regarding **Tom**. **Chronos** was strongly against **Tom** that entire Day. Had a vote on him for most of that time, until required to move it for self-preservation. Even the results from his program may have been aimed at **Tom** – **Tom** had the third-highest number in the output, and **Chronos** made a point of noting that the top two ( **Alka** and **Drain Bead** had artificially high numbers due to factors the program could not take into account. As **Guiri** pointed out at one point, **Chronos** ’ program inputs were incorrect (he had Thing Fish as still unconfirmed), so there is a strong possibility he posted the output in order to support a point he was already trying to make. **CIAS** on the other hand, said very little about **Tom** , but what he did say was supportive, arguing that it was unlikely that **Tom** was colluding with **Chronos** regarding the vote switch. It’s not a very strong statement of support, but it is about the strongest statement he made all Day. (In retrospect, **CIAS** is the very picture of Scum trying to avoid being pinned down on anything; a couple of his posts are pretty remarkable for how little they say given the number of words they contain.) I think **Tom** is probably Town, for a number of reasons I’ll expand on if anyone cares, if we’re both still alive in the morning. In that light, I think the **Chronos** / **CIAS** attitudes toward him make a lot of sense: **Chronos** going for the immediate reward of trying to smudge his main accuser and a very influential player; and **CIAS** playing for the long haul in terms of grabbing a little bit of Town cred. The other thing that stood out was that both referenced **Scuba Ben**. **Chronos** asked him if he’d learned anything from the doily – **Ben** responded he’d never received it. **CIAS** asked **Ben** to explain a comment from the previous Day referencing **Freudian Slit** ; **Drain Bead** responded with a possible explanation, and **CIAS** dropped the issue. I’m not sure what to make of this. In the absence of **Ben** ’s comments from yesterday I’d interpret it as a sign that **Chronos** was fishing for info from **Ben** (and hence that they were not on the same team). And **CIAS** would have been fishing for an easy vote to maybe detract from the bandwagon on **Chronos**. I still think this is most likely exactly what that all means (hence **Ben** is Town or at least not-Scum), but **Ben** ’s comments make me a little uneasy that it may have been a deliberate distancing on both their parts. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2220 "2009-10-29T18:06:09Z")
I think Cat probably decided to be a bit cautious due to my WoW on him (especially since I’d preemptively FOS’d him if Freudian flipped Town, as he had to figure would happen eventually); I think he was trying to play Good Townie on Day 3 aside from giving the “Drain Bead is a Bomb” theory a couple kicks to see if he could get it to go anywhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=110) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=112)