# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2381 "2009-11-04T23:14:36Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Where to? My initial reaction was to vote for **USC** but I wanted to do a WoW on him to be able to provide some solid reasoning for my vote (as he’s requested from both **Gryff** and **Tom** ). However, partially completed WoW in hand he’s looking pretty townie to me so I’m now also at a loss. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2382 "2009-11-05T00:26:08Z")
Damn guys, but I am getting more and more confused. I’ll try to revise things before Day’s end, but I can’t promise that - I have an exam tomorrow. So I’ll trust my first instinct and leave my vote where it is, all the while apologising for a lack of input. On another note, the idea of a mass claim toMorrow if we don’t nab Scum toDay (or toNight, I suppose) is a good one. With 30 million power roles in the game a full, mass claim might prove illuminating, hopefully flushing out the Scum. I suppose we could get one of our more confirmed players to construct a claim-order list, or use a publically verifiable random event as the seed. ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2383 "2009-11-05T04:48:45Z")
**Vote UCSDiver** by way of OMGUS. Weak, I know, but it’s what I’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2384 "2009-11-05T07:35:44Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Could you back up your vote on me with a reason? Mostly I scanned through your postings and couldn’t find a reason not to. As after scanning through people I found suspicious I couldn’t find any scum tells I decided to go through them again and vote for the first person I found that hadn’t actually been helpful in any significant way. Of course I could have missed something so feel free to point it out. My vote is pretty floaty at the moment. If it helps, if you turn out to be Town, **Tiltawhirl** is the person I will vote for next. Partially for placing an OMGUS vote (itself a beyond weak vote), but more for placing it on the wrong person, one who happens to have a enough votes to be a contender. Possibly skimming here, or pushing a Bandwagon? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2385 "2009-11-05T11:15:54Z")
> [@tiltawhirl](#): > > **Vote UCSDiver** by way of OMGUS. Weak, I know, but it’s what I’ve got. OMGUS means your voting for me only because I voted for you. Since I’ve never even mentioned you, I’m curious why you think your vote is an OMGUS? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2386 "2009-11-05T11:29:09Z")
> [@Gryff](#): > > If it helps, if you turn out to be Town, **Tiltawhirl** is the person I will vote for next. Partially for placing an OMGUS vote (itself a beyond weak vote), but more for placing it on the wrong person, one who happens to have a enough votes to be a contender. Possibly skimming here, or pushing a Bandwagon? I was just about to say exactly this, but you said it for me. Low participation and weak voting justification plus getting said weak justification WRONG is just too much. I’d switch my vote now if I thought enough people would do it with me. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2387 "2009-11-05T13:26:10Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I was just about to say exactly this, but you said it for me. Low participation and weak voting justification plus getting said weak justification WRONG is just too much. I’d switch my vote now if I thought enough people would do it with me. If we’re voting **Tilta** for LtL, OK. But, apart from this vote for **USC** , I’m unsure of her scumminess. She’s made very few posts and most of them were either lynch or leader votes and defense of them. She FOSed **Chronos** early on in the game, questioned **JC** (and **GryFf** ), was WoWed by **CIAS** , was questioned by **Alka** , and has discussed **Tom** ’s influence over others. Possibly there was some distancing going on. She has admitted to following the main bandwagons (until now?) but also gave some sort of personal reason for her votes and unvotes. Apart from that she’s simply not been very active and that doesn’t help us right now. ( **Gryff** would say that while I am active, I’m not helping very much either…) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2388 "2009-11-05T13:34:39Z")
Well, hell. I’d talked myself out of a Guiri vote, and was going to come back and place a reluctant LtL vote on USCDiver, but with that vote I think I’m going to **vote tiltawhirl** Yes, it’s easy to mix up the divers, but you were on my radar anyway for a LtL-ish vote. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2389 "2009-11-05T13:36:25Z")
Vote Count: Scuba (3): DrainBead, AllWalker, Norma USCD (2): Gryff, tilty Tilta (1): Scuba Mr. Scud (1): OaOW Guiri (2): USCD, Boozy Squid Day ends 2:00 PM Eastern today. In the event of a tie, Guiri gets it. I will not be at a computer until 4:30 PM Eastern, so unless Mahaloth ends it, there will be an extended dusk. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2390 "2009-11-05T13:42:48Z")
It looks like you listed **Tom** ’s unvote, but not his new vote, which brings **tilta** up to 2 votes to **Scuba** ’s 3. I think the two are equally scummy. I’ll keep my vote where it is, with the proviso that if **Scuba** kicks it toDay and turns up Town, I’ll be voting for **tiltawhirl** tomorrow, and vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2391 "2009-11-05T14:22:28Z")
If I’m still around and we think LtL is the best strategy Tomorrow, **Tilta** is a prime candidate but I think we may be able to lynch a scum Today and so I’ll go with my initial choice. @ **Tom** , sorry for asking you to move your vote for no reason but I really thought I’d convinced you to hold off on my lynch and I really felt **USC** was a stronger case for scum than **Scuba** until I did a WoW and came up empty handed - he could well be a SK though, if there is one… **Vote Scuba\_Ben** ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2392 "2009-11-05T14:35:12Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > All that seems left to do to seal the victory is to mis-lynch me. I don’t like either outcome from that… /snipped @ **Scuba** What did you mean by this? I understand you don’t like the outcome of your lynch but what’s wrong with the outcome of a town victory? Or was this sarcasm? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2393 "2009-11-05T14:38:34Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > /snipped > > @ **Scuba** What did you mean by this? I understand you don’t like the outcome of your lynch but what’s wrong with the outcome of a town victory? Or was this sarcasm? He mentioned earlier that he’s always played Town, and that in the games he’s survived to the end, Town has always lost, whereas in the ones where he’s died, Town has won. ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2394 "2009-11-05T14:42:40Z")
Yikes! I should’ve known that no vote would have been better than that bit of tripe I posted just in order to have a vote up. Before we do anything hasty, please allow me to claim my role as an **Escape Artist**. If I am the vote leader at end of Day, I will escape the lynch and town will have no lynch for toDay. There are other aspects of the role which I’m pretty sure would be anti-town to reveal at this point. It’s been frustrating to have been saddled with an “evilish” anti-town role like this. Probably the best thing for me would have been to be NKed, but I wasn’t sure how to invite that without risking town’s loss of a Day lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2395 "2009-11-05T14:59:55Z")
> [@tiltawhirl](#): > > Before we do anything hasty, please allow me to claim my role as an **Escape Artist**. If I am the vote leader at end of Day, I will escape the lynch and town will have no lynch for toDay. There are other aspects of the role which I’m pretty sure would be anti-town to reveal at this point. I don’t suppose any of them are confirmable short of a lynch? Also, do you want to switch your vote to your actual OMGUS target, or else explain again what justifies your vote for **USCDiver**? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2396 "2009-11-05T15:05:48Z")
Lots of evil-ish roles. But escaping versus being lynched isn’t exactly one of them, on the face of it. It’s still one extra player with status known, same as a regular lynch, unless I’m missing something. What makes that anti-Town? ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2397 "2009-11-05T15:11:47Z")
> [@tiltawhirl](#): > > Yikes! I should’ve known that no vote would have been better than that bit of tripe I posted just in order to have a vote up. > > Before we do anything hasty, please allow me to claim my role as an **Escape Artist**. If I am the vote leader at end of Day, I will escape the lynch and town will have no lynch for toDay. There are other aspects of the role which I’m pretty sure would be anti-town to reveal at this point. > > It’s been frustrating to have been saddled with an “evilish” anti-town role like this. Probably the best thing for me would have been to be NKed, but I wasn’t sure how to invite that without risking town’s loss of a Day lynch. Escape artist sounds good for you, and limits the effects of a mislynch, so I don’t see a problem with confirming your role with a lynch if we don’t have a better target. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2398 "2009-11-05T15:17:14Z")
Bah. I don’t believe that claim! unvote Vote tiltawhirl ---
**Author:** ![tiltawhirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tiltawhirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiltawhirl)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2399 "2009-11-05T15:31:01Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I don’t suppose any of them are confirmable short of a lynch? Not to my knowledge. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Also, do you want to switch your vote to your actual OMGUS target, or else explain again what justifies your vote for **USCDiver**? Err, yes. **Unvote** **Vote Scuba Ben** > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Lots of evil-ish roles. But escaping versus being lynched isn’t exactly one of them, on the face of it. It’s still one extra player with status known, same as a regular lynch, unless I’m missing something. What makes that anti-Town? You’re right-it would be more correct to say that it’s a no Lynch for town rather than a mislynch. > [@Gryff](#): > > Escape artist sounds good for you, and limits the effects of a mislynch, so I don’t see a problem with confirming your role with a lynch if we don’t have a better target. OK, in retrospect that makes sense, I guess. I really don’t know who else is a good lynching candidate at this juncture. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2400 "2009-11-05T16:03:01Z")
Never mind my last comment actually. I read your “escape the lynch blahblah Town” as “escape the Town”, which implied to me that the game would be over for you if you were lynched. (Hence we’d get alignment and so forth.) If it’s no-lynch with no reveal, that is arguably an anti-Town. Maybe. I’m having trouble thinking straight today. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=121)