# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 122
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2421 "2009-11-06T13:47:35Z")
What did happen to Oredigger? He never voted. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2422 "2009-11-06T14:36:22Z")
Looks like some kinda real life connectivity or too-busy issues. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2423 "2009-11-06T14:36:56Z")
So. Mass claim tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2424 "2009-11-06T14:59:54Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > So. Mass claim tomorrow? Yeah, I think it’s time. Gryff or Boozy wanna draw up a list? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2425 "2009-11-06T15:30:48Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > This has been preying on my mind, and while I don’t expect to get a mod response, I guess it wouldn’t hurt to try (they’ve answered other questions I wouldn’t have expected): > > **Would a Town-aligned Screamer (assuming such a thing existed) flip red or blue upon death?** Red. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2426 "2009-11-06T15:32:27Z")
wait, so cias was telling the truth possibly? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2427 "2009-11-06T15:44:13Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > What did happen to Oredigger? He never voted. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Looks like some kinda real life connectivity or too-busy issues. Unfortunately I’m working a new job and was out of the office the last two days doing field tours. I should be around but it looks like I’m going to have to spend at least two days a week out in the field for the rest of the year. (By the way the field is a third world, ok west Texas, hell hole without the internet) But I did manage to think through the whole Tom Scud thing. I’m sure that we’re way past this part in the discussion but I figured I’d post my thoughts. That last time I was around I said that I was watching for a bandwagon to form on him and that I was confused why one didn’t. The only reasonable explanation that I can come up with is that town tends to forget slips or at least care less about them as time passes so with a Day in-between his slip and this first chance to vote on it not one cared enough. On the other hand I’m surprised none of the scum jumped on a townie slip since it should in theory be an easy way to get someone lynched. While IIRC Tom did pick up votes one of them was another person who claimed to be looking for bandwagon jumpers and so was trying to start then wagon for them to jump on. This tells me that the scum were intentionally staying away either counting on the town to do their work for them or because Tom is scum. When I got to this point yesterday in the shower I concluded that the simple answer was the Tom was scum but in the process of typing it up I’m not sure especially since we ended up lynching a townie anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2428 "2009-11-06T15:52:59Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > wait, so cias was telling the truth possibly? Yeah. I think **Guiri** needs hangin’. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2429 "2009-11-06T16:02:51Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > **CatinaSuit, a Model 5 (Screamer Investigator), is dead.** /snipped **Mods, was CatinaSuit a member of the scum team or the Town team?** ---
**Author:** ![Gryff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gryff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gryff)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2430 "2009-11-06T16:39:57Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > This has been preying on my mind, and while I don’t expect to get a mod response, I guess it wouldn’t hurt to try (they’ve answered other questions I wouldn’t have expected): > > **Would a Town-aligned Screamer (assuming such a thing existed) flip red or blue upon death?** Didn’t I cover [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11712925#post11712925) [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11712977#post11712977)? I don’t like this sudden attempt at causing confusion, and the leap on **Guiri** for very dubious reasons. \*\*Can whoever got the music box from Tom please let us know your findings as soon as possible. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2431 "2009-11-06T16:46:47Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > /snipped > > **Mods, was CatinaSuit a member of the scum team or the Town team?** I’ve already given all the information I’m going to give on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2432 "2009-11-06T17:06:08Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I’ve already given all the information I’m going to give on the subject. I know for a fact that **CIAS** lied about my aligment in his drawn-out, contradictory and confusing reveal of his investigation results. Whether he was a traitor, ex-Scum Leader, Scum-aligned, Town-aligned or whatever, he lied about my alignment and that sucks. I was impressed that the whole **CIAS** debacle wasn’t mentioned once in the numerous attacks on me yesterday, I really thought we’d agreed to completely ignore his claim and posts. If he lied about me, he probably lied about **Tom** too but that was irrelevant until **Tom** resurrected it from the grave. I feel the reasoning behind my suspicions on **Scuba** were valid: I thought he was scum, he acted scummily, he lurked (after offering to sub in for someone who had been lurking) and I don’t believe my single vote was enough for his lynch. I did not explicitly encourage anyone to join the bandwagon and obviously did what I could to avoid my own mislynch. I unvoted when I thought **USC** was a surer target, his confrontational play deserved at least an OMGUS vote but I got a neutral vibe from his WoW and so placed my vote on the scummiest of the 3 players I hadn’t cleared as either “almost confirmed” town ( **Boozy & Gryff** ), “likely town” ( **BD, Normal, Ore, Allwalker** and until recently, **Tom** ), or “need more info on role before deciding” ( **OaOW** ). If that’s reason enough to mislynch me, well fine, I accept, I was wrong about **Scuba**. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2433 "2009-11-06T18:01:05Z")
\ Apologies for the delay, but it appears the form 65-B I submitted (Application to Nuke Planet from Orbit: _It’s the Only Way To Be Sure_) has been lost in processing somewhere. We’ll do our best to get those nukes to you as soon as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2434 "2009-11-06T19:43:00Z")
Diabolical, **Tom**. Throwing in just enough WIFOM to get people off your trail. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2435 "2009-11-06T20:04:18Z")
Ya want what I’m thinking? Here’s what I’m thinking: First of all, I don’t buy Normal’s argument that Cat’s posts don’t make sense as a Town player, because they don’t make sense as a Scum player, either. Surely it would be in a Scum player’s best interest to come out firing with a counter-lynch proposal in his opening post, or if you say “well maybe Cat hadn’t come up with his full counterclaim idea in his first post” then in his second post. So I’m stuck with the radical idea that maybe he failed to play optimally, because he was irritated at being handed a Miller role or at being caught by an investigator or whatever. Second, if Cat WAS scum, then we’re looking at a total faceroll from here on out - 3 scum down, probably 2 or 3 scum left out of 11 (9 or 10 after dawn); we lynch Diver, we lynch tilt and test her claim, we maybe lynch OaOW if we don’t like his role claim, if we’re still playing we re-check whoever’s left. Basically, lots of room to make mistakes. If Cat was town, then there are 3-4 Scum left, and we’re pretty close to LyLo. And if we roll down my list above, then we’ll find out we had one extra scum to catch at the point when they control the voting. But I’m the guy who had the weird wacky idea that Alka might be third party, so yeah, just lynch me instead. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2436 "2009-11-06T20:06:54Z")
And Gryff, you did not cover it there. The mods’ answer was ambiguous, deliberately or no. Are you saying that I’ve got the mods cooperating with my tricky attempt to sow confusion? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2437 "2009-11-06T20:08:57Z")
The one question I have, **Tom** , is why did **Cat** smudge you after investigating you as allegedly Town? That’s really the main reason why I found **Cat** to be completely unbelievable. Also, could there have been fewer Scum due to the fact that they had so many power roles? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2438 "2009-11-06T20:11:27Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > And Gryff, you did not cover it there. The mods’ answer was ambiguous, deliberately or no. Are you saying that I’ve got the mods cooperating with my tricky attempt to sow confusion? Easy enough for you to check the answers with the mods via PM or on the Scum boards before you asked in the game thread. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2439 "2009-11-06T20:11:31Z")
Drain. On that one, he said that my play “looked scummy” but he didn’t actually accuse me of being scum, or throw a vote my way. He might have just been trying to back me off. Bear in mind that on Turn 1 he threw a vote your way on the slightest of pretexts. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2440 "2009-11-06T20:14:23Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Drain. On that one, he said that my play “looked scummy” but he didn’t actually accuse me of being scum, or throw a vote my way. He might have just been trying to back me off. Bear in mind that on Turn 1 he threw a vote your way on the slightest of pretexts. Investigators leave breadcrumbs just in case they die before being outed. A good Cop would not have said you looked scummy after investigating you as Town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=121) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=123)