# Screamers Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938 "2009-09-21T13:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2461 "2009-11-08T01:58:30Z")
The only thing left to be decided is to what extent the non-vanilla among us should claim. OAOW has given what appears to be a full claim. Tiltawhirl has not. Should she tell us the rest? I’m too sleepy to think, just offering it for comments. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2462 "2009-11-08T03:08:47Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > "Hello, my name is THOMAS SCUD and I am a TOWNSPERSON " > > Seems pretty straightforward to me. It isn’t so straightforward for me. In post #[2010](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11702491&postcount=2010), **Tom Scud** said: > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Actually, I guess having gone public with it I might as well say what it does. > > It initially played “it’s a small world”. I left it running overnight as I slept. > > Now, it says “I am Thomas Scud. I am a Town [role redacted]. Please help.” > > I will send it to someone tonight, who can confirm or deny the message and send their own message. It doesn’t match…that’s why I asked you exactly what it said. I’m not yet convinced that the two of you aren’t a couple of scum buddies colluding to try to confirm each other. Which one of you is lying about what the Music Box recording said? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2463 "2009-11-08T03:13:22Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Using [random.org](http://random.org), the order for the mass claim is: > > USCDiver > Normal Phase > Allwalker > Oredigger I’d prefer the claim order be somehow tied to an independently verifiable random event (like the score of a football game, as has been mentioned). I don’t trust you enough to count on your order being truly random. In fact, I don’t trust any of you much anymore. **Elect USCDiver** ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2464 "2009-11-08T03:17:08Z")
Just to be on the safe side: **Mods, was there any… um… degradation in the Music Box recording as it made it’s way from Tom’s house to Orediggers?** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2465 "2009-11-08T04:15:27Z")
Leader Count: Drain Bead (3): Tom Scud, Guiri, OaOW Tom Scud (4): Digger, Tilty, Norma, DB USCD (1): USCD > [@USCDiver](#): > > Just to be on the safe side: > > **Mods, was there any… um… degradation in the Music Box recording as it made it’s way from Tom’s house to Orediggers?** No comment. However, when it comes to PMs from the mods, remember–I know all about handshaking, and I absolutely _detest_ it. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2466 "2009-11-08T11:23:41Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > No comment. > > However, when it comes to PMs from the mods, remember–I know all about handshaking, and I absolutely _detest_ it. True, but in this case, the use of the Music box in the game is essentially a designed handshake mechanism! ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2467 "2009-11-08T11:29:29Z")
**OAOW** , when you get a chance, can you tell us what prompted you to choose each of those you chose to investigate, and how you interpret “nothing”? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2468 "2009-11-08T11:29:34Z")
@ **Drain** , which ofthe 4 vanilla roles did you get? @ **OaOW** , can you tell us why you chose to investigate these players on these Days? @ **USC** , of the two main candidates for leader, which would you prefer? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2469 "2009-11-08T13:52:05Z")
Miner. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2470 "2009-11-08T14:52:51Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Miner. OK, thanks. I thought that maybe one of us had been given the role of “child of a miner” and if so, there would be a small hole in **OaOW** ’s claim - the second child should have been ineligible for leader too based on the color in his role PM… As it stands, with no other children among us, the claim seems plausible although the fact that he investigated 4 of the remaining 9 (or 5 of 12 yesterDay) players is quite a coincidence. Also the fact that the 5 players all seem(ed) townie to me is the main reason I’d like to hear his reasoning. As I mentioned a long time ago, in the film the type 4 screamer is a small child who apparently survived a nuclear explosion and lives off what he can scavenge. Not the same story as the color in **OaOW** ’s PM and a 3rd investigative scum role makes the scenario even less likelly… ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2471 "2009-11-08T16:27:06Z")
Yeah, if OAOW is Scum, it’s pretty certain he’s making the whole thing up out of whole cloth. Which is why I’d like to hear his reasoning on the whole thing. Diver, are you going to claim, not claim, hold out for randomness based on a football game today, or what? I’m going out now, will probably not be back until tomorrow morning. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2472 "2009-11-08T16:29:30Z")
If someone tells me how to do randomness based on a football game, I’ll do it based on the 1:00 Bengals game score. I just really don’t know how to set up that scenario. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2473 "2009-11-08T18:01:16Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > If someone tells me how to do randomness based on a football game, I’ll do it based on the 1:00 Bengals game score. I just really don’t know how to set up that scenario. Maybe some of our programmer types know where you can use a number like that as a random seed. Easiest way I can think of is to just use the order that you already generated, and set the first person by going one down the list for every point the Bengals score; that is, if they score 0, then it’s as you submitted originally; if they scored 1 (which is impossible but whatever), you start with Normal Phase, 2 yous tart with AllWalker, 3 with Oredigger, 4 you loop back and start with USCDiver, et cetera. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2474 "2009-11-08T18:15:18Z")
Another way to use a single game would be assigning each one of us a quarter and using the last digit of the combinded score from each quarter as our order number with any ties settled by the home team’s last digit. For instance if the score goes: Q1 h:7 a: 7 Q2 h: 10 a: 7 Q3 h: 10 a:21 Q4 h: 17 a: 21. Then who ever you asignex the first quarter would get a 4 the second quarter would get a 7 the third quarter a 1 and the fourth quarter an 8 so the reviel would go Q3, Q1, Q2, Q4. It’s a bit more work then [random.org](http://random.org) but at least we can verify there is no manipulation. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2475 "2009-11-08T18:22:42Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Another way to use a single game would be assigning each one of us a quarter and using the last digit of the combinded score from each quarter as our order number with any ties settled by the home team’s last digit. > > For instance if the score goes: Q1 h:7 a: 7 Q2 h: 10 a: 7 Q3 h: 10 a:21 Q4 h: 17 a: 21. Then who ever you asignex the first quarter would get a 4 the second quarter would get a 7 the third quarter a 1 and the fourth quarter an 8 so the reviel would go Q3, Q1, Q2, Q4. It’s a bit more work then [random.org](http://random.org) but at least we can verify there is no manipulation. I’ll do this. Alphabetical seeding. Allwalker gets Q1 Normal Phase gets Q2 Oredigger gets Q3 USCDiver gets Q4 ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2476 "2009-11-08T18:30:38Z")
NETA: If the last digit of the combined score is 0, that counts as an actual 0, not a 10. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2477 "2009-11-08T19:02:19Z")
Score at the end of Q1 is Bengals 14, Ravens 0. Allwalker’s number is 4. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2478 "2009-11-08T20:33:33Z")
Both Normal Phase and Oredigger have 7, and the tiebreaker under the stated rules doesn’t help. If nobody objects, I’m just going to keep that one alphabetical, so Normal will go before Oredigger in the final listing. Thankfully the Ravens just scored, so hopefully that’ll be the only tie. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2479 "2009-11-08T21:36:40Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ **USC** , of the two main candidates for leader, which would you prefer? It’s irrelevant but I don’t have a preference. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Both Normal Phase and Oredigger have 7, and the tiebreaker under the stated rules doesn’t help. > > If nobody objects, I’m just going to keep that one alphabetical, so Normal will go before Oredigger in the final listing. > > Thankfully the Ravens just scored, so hopefully that’ll be the only tie. Thanks for introducing some verifiability. Let me know the final claim ordering. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938/2480 "2009-11-08T21:50:14Z")
I’m back. It wound up 17-7 (sum 24, lower priority than the AllWalker 4). So it should be – AllWalker – USCDiver – Normal Phase – Oredigger [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=123) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/screamers-mafia/510938.md?page=125)